CV 158 Michael Geci, MD History vs Logic

May 2, 2022

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Oh my gosh, my friends. Today we have the indefatigable Michael Geci, MD from New York. And actually, he’s an ER doctor, and he has jumped into this cannabis industry with both feet and all the energy you can muster. I can’t wait for you to hear our good friend, Dr. Michael Geci. Today.


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Honey Smith Walls 2:50

It feels like I have you.

Michael Geci, MD 2:51

Hey, how’s it going?

Honey Smith Walls 2:52

Hey, I am just fine. It is so nice to have you with us.

Michael Geci, MD 3:00

Well, it’s a pleasure to have been asked back and you know, it’s always good to chat with you. You are a you know you’re probably one of my favorite people you know in this industry. If we can be so bold as to call it an industry.

Honey Smith Walls 3:22

It’s going to be an institution if it isn’t already, but you are so sweet to say that Dr. Michael Geci, our friend, a political activist, author of Pot Doc, A Physician’s Search for the Holy Grail of Medical Marijuana. A New York ER doctor for 30 years. I don’t know how you’d have time to do any of this for us, but we’re so grateful. Stand up guy for the Last Prisoner Project. You make it so personal Michael, you really do.

I love what you’re what you’re doing as an activist. I mean, good night you’re already an ER doctor but what you’re doing as an advocate, as an advocate and activist in this industry is just amazing. And I’m just following your lead and trying to amplify what you’re doing to because it’s really important. Your posts this morning on or was it yesterday on LinkedIn about the Louisiana candidate activist Gary chambers. He is moving and shaking minds. Yeah, with blunts and Confederate flag burning. And you know what? Let me just say this. It feels so good to see somebody counter the insanity of the Republican ideas that are out there. And one last thing you are rocking Clubhouse. I love serious Saturdays with you and the rest of the tribe on that amazing clubhouse stage that you’re hosting. And thank you for all of that service. Dr. Geci

Michael Geci, MD 5:05

Well, I don’t know if anybody’s said so many consecutively nice things about me in my entire life.

Honey Smith Walls 5:19

Oh you snicker all you want but it’s true. You know it’s true. It’s the Cannaba Verum on you.

Michael Geci, MD 5:28

Well, yes, thanks.

Honey Smith Walls 5:30

Hey, tell me what you’re doing up there. And how’s it going for you? I mean on a personal level, you and your family okay?

Michael Geci, MD 5:40

Yeah for the most part, I mean, my son is well, we just had 13 inches of snow the other day. And power went out for about 18 hours and that was really you know, on one level is kind of a pain in the butt but it was a real blessing on another level because it it showed me how tied up I am into this connection with the internet and and, and knowing that you just don’t have power and you’ve got to do something else and to see the snow falling and you know, like I live I live up on you know, I mean it’s you know, I live up on one of these mountains in the Catskills and, you know, it’s just really beautiful.

Honey Smith Walls 6:42

Goodness Oh, Fall and a glorious sight.

Michael Geci, MD 6:44

I mean it really was I mean the snow is. It is almost gone. It’ll be probably mostly gone from my yard and at least it’ll all be gone. You know, set by this afternoon up on the mountain. It might linger till tomorrow but it’s it’s warm enough a good bit but you know just getting ready for you know, like before the snow came I was tending, you know what I call my girls I’ve got about 45 or 50 fairly large blueberry bushes that I groom every spring you know, trim and and mulch. them and get them ready for their big explosion.

Honey Smith Walls 7:34

Your blueberry girls.

Michael Geci, MD 7:37

Yeah…when I refer to my girls, I refer to my you know my blueberries because they take good care of me and my leeks are up on the mountain I’ve got a whole mountainside of ramps and but yeah so just kind of getting ready you know getting ready for you know for for spring you know spring in some places, probably like down south I mean, the redbuds probably already, you know bloomed and are gone and you’re probably in the middle of dogwood season. Right. But which, you know, it’s one of the things I just always loved about the South was, you know, late March early April, the red buds bloom and then the dog woods and there’s just, there’s just, there’s just something that’s so delicate and beautiful about a dog wood blossom. And but yeah, so in terms of you know other things my son and I are getting along pretty well we saw each other in March we did some March Madness in Fort Worth. I saw some some great games and when we actually saw the the adventure in our bracket we actually had North Carolina and Kansas so we saw both the North Carolina and Kansas games and you know they ended up playing for the national championship. Wow golf and where you get to see you know, you know that the eventual you know, two teams in the finals play. But yeah, so things are you know, I’m, I’m working on a, you know, I’m working on a I’m working on a novel this is there’s some sort of like national, you know, write it in all month. And they usually happens in November, but I was just this writers group in and they said they’re having another one in April and so yeah, so that’s the other thing I’ve been doing that I’ve been working on.

Honey Smith Walls 9:49

Name that room on Clubhouse… I didn’t realize you enjoyed writing so, but I’m glad to hear it. I mean, I loved Pot Doc. And it really sets a person to thinking but you’re writing a novel, and what’s the name of that Clubhouse room that you joined?

Michael Geci, MD 10:10

Let’s see what is it called? I think it’s called the Creative Juices. It’s Monday morning. It’s every day, Monday through Friday at 8am. And oh wow. So and then the other thing is there is a and I’m looking out my window and I’m looking at a baby fox. That uh, I’ve got a den of baby foxes living under this section of my house that I don’t really use

Honey Smith Walls 10:45

What color is it?

Michael Geci, MD 10:49

It’s sort of brown and gray with a little bit of black but it’s a it’s a size of a little puppy and oh, there’s a whole bunch of them and they bark. I actually made a recording of it last night. This is the second year that they’ve been here. And it’s kind of cool to actually see them.

Honey Smith Walls 11:11

Do they chitter sort of?

Michael Geci, MD 11:14

They yap. It is a yapping sound that at first makes you think that there’s some sort of like weird bird under the house, but it’s sort of crescendoing, yapping and sort of a Yap bark. Yeah, it’s really kind of interesting.

Honey Smith Walls 11:35

Please put that recording somewhere where we can all hear it. I’d love to hear that. And you know, that’s not something that we all get to experience. That’s pretty cool.

Michael Geci, MD 11:47

Yeah, it’s, you know, it’s may have finally kind of come to you know, like in in you know, in Pot Doc, you know, I kind of talk about you know, my place here and, and, and kind of how maybe, it felt like, you know, that it was kind of a burden at times, but, you know, it’s a really wonderful place, and I’m kind of, kind of in a place you know, my, my birthday is in is on Sunday so

Honey Smith Walls 12:23

I sweet Blessings to you.

Michael Geci, MD 12:27

But you know, it just, it’s, it’s just kind of a cool. I mean, there’s just so many like cool little things. About, you know, this property. I mean, I own the watershed and so you you know, that these little creeks that you can drink out of and, and runs and I’ve got, yeah, there’s all sorts of different kinds of birds and other wildlife and yeah, I mean, everything from from raccoons and possums and porcupines to Black Bear and everything in between goodness. So yeah, so it’s really cool.

Honey Smith Walls 13:10

Sweet Lodge. That’s so beautiful to hear about. What do you see when you have to go down into the real world?

Michael Geci, MD 13:21

The real world? Well, you know, I’ve tried to avoid the real world so much. You know, There have been times when I’ve actually had to take a news fast where I would not read anything about the news like the Times or The Washington Post or Wall Street Journal or, you know, BBC or, you know, any kind of news outlet for I probably did that for like two months. And then after Ukraine happened. I felt sort of compelled to kind of see you know, what was going on with that.

But, you know, that was the thing that made the power outage sort of surreal is there was this world, outside of my mountain. Yeah. And there were a lot of things going on, but I was, you know, isolated from it. Insulated, right. Yeah. And, you know, in terms of East coast, I mean, you could probably be more isolated or insulated from the outside world, but you’d be hard pressed to get out West I guess in other places, you get even further out there but yeah, I mean, it’s a weird time. I mean, there’s losses, there’s contradictions and conflicts and…

Honey Smith Walls 15:12


Michael Geci, MD 15:13

Yeah, you know we sort of overlapped generations. And, you know, like our generations, we never thought we would probably ever see anything like what’s happening now you know? I remember growing up thinking about indoctrination, and I guess that’s probably as good a word for it as any but you know, going from a very Catholic upbringing to being completely dunked immersed into fundamentalist Christianity.

Oh, wow. That you know, at late pre adolescent and I remember them talking about, the end times and I was petrified. I would have nightmares about it, because, you know, in the Catholic faith, they never talked about stuff like that. I mean, you know, they’d read the gospels and, you know, have communion and confession, and then you cross your fingers and hope you did enough good deeds to go to heaven, but, you know, with the Protestant faiths, it’s a different spin and to be just rapidly dunked into that it was a little bit traumatic and a culture shock.

It’s like completely being turned inside out, but the point is, that the things that we see that are happening, you know, you just have to like say to yourself, holy cow, I mean, is this how it all ends? You know, I mean, I watched the documentary last night David Attenborough documentary, and it’s just like, Oh, my God, we’ve we’ve reached so many tipping points you know, and so I tried to center myself every day with a yoga and meditation practice and try to get out on my bike when I can and get out in the garden and do some stuff and you know.

When I have to go in the outside world like I’m going to be… you know, looks like I’m going to be going back to the ER soon for a period of time I guess. And, you know, it’s weird. I mean, I don’t really think that people are trusting because, you know, when you think about how we’ve been… I’m just gonna refer to American culture, how we’ve been indoctrinated in terms of just how, at the end of the day, you know, the good guys were always right. You had John Wayne and and boy you know, things and fairytale endings yeah and and things may have been problematic but you know, the good guys always won always conquered wrong and evil.

Honey Smith Walls 19:12

I’m sure that’s not what David Attenborough said on that program, which I recorded. You know somebody of some counsel just named him, “Best Human of the Planet” award, really, for all of his work in all of this. And what was the name of that show? Again, I can’t say…

Michael Geci, MD 19:31

oh, what was the name it… was it was called “Breakthroughs”. But it was a documentary that that was mostly featured David Attenborough. And, you know, it was interesting because I was at a…. this is another segue that I’m notorious for, but I was visiting a friend in London, probably four or five years. ago. And we started to go to this art show. It was the collected works of Attenborough. Attenborough and buddies. And they had in it this auction to raise money for some cause. And so he had all these, like, different, you know, different artifacts from all the different places he’d been in. Yeah, and I was actually in the same room with him and it was like kind of crazy like to be next to some somebody who is, you know, such an icon and when you think about like, you know, like he started his work in the probably in the 30s, I would guess. He’s been here forever. Yeah. And for him to see the change that I mean, it must be you know, sickening. Yeah. And just as viscerally sad to be how we have… so you know, decimating the planet. Yeah. You know, and that’s the thing that I like about being here is, it’s a little spot on the globe, but you know, I really tried to care for it, and like when I built my house in the woods with a wood stove.

Honey Smith Walls 21:40

Oh my goodness. Michael, you and I are so much alike. And we have so many of the same upbringing and stuff like that. I too, have lived in a home where we heated with wood and mine is a little backwards. I was sort of Catholic and then Protestant. No, I was Protestant and then Catholic. I’m glad to hear your take on the meanings as a child of those two different religions… but it makes me shudder. Really, what we do to our kids with religion!

Michael Geci, MD 22:16

Yeah, you know, like I sort of joke around and say that probably one of the most significant days in my life was the day I was sick for altar boy tryouts!

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Michael Geci, MD 0:03

But, but what I do with the woodstove…

Honey Smith Walls 0:06

I can smell it from here.

Michael Geci, MD 0:10

I have a chisel that I pry all the bark off the wood before I burn in and then I take the bark out and put it in a different section of my compost heap because you know some of the bark is just so full of life with lichens and moss and I just could never see myself burning it it just seemed like that was selfish and just seem like there’s a practical point to take the bark off, you know, the wood dries faster and because sometimes it can, it can maintain or retain residual water in the park interface.

Honey Smith Walls 0:58

I heard of some old codger doing that from a long, long time ago. That sounds like very old practice to me, really.

Michael Geci, MD 1:06

Yeah. And then, in the fall I’ll drive into town. You see people baggin up their leaves, right. And I stuffed my car with bags of leaves and I bring them home. I have years of leaves that are in my compost piles. You know, I tried to take care of my little piece here.

Honey Smith Walls 1:43

And can you grow mushrooms up there? Are you reading? I’m rereading Michael Pollan and his I can’t say his latest book and I just reread the Four Feathers. You know that one? It’s Good.

Michael Geci, MD 1:55

No, I don’t know the Four Feathers. Are you talking about “How To Change Your Mind”? or

Honey Smith Walls 1:59

Yeah, I was just rereading. No, no, “Your Mind on Plants”?

Michael Geci, MD 2:03

Yeah, I haven’t. I haven’t read that one yet.

Honey Smith Walls 2:07

Oh, it’s so good. Oh, you’re just gonna love it. And I buy the audibles of those so I can listen and do other things, you know, and, and also I speed it up so I can get through it faster. So well, you know, I can listen a little faster than some of those old southern people speak… me included.

Michael Geci, MD 2:25

Yeah, so you know, I could grow mushrooms here. In fact, my good friend who helped me put my book together is actually about to start growing mushrooms. One of her in- laws has a mushroom business, where he supplies gourmet mushrooms to Western Michigan and he sells like 1500 pounds of mushrooms a week. I mean, he has got it dialed in. And, you know, which is actually sort of a good segue to this because you know, the whole industry movement right… decriminalize… your movement (FL) has had a pretty good success story in a lot of places, but you know Ann Arbor was one of the first town/cities across the country to decriminalize psilocybin as long as, as well as like Oakland, Santa Cruz… I think Boulder a couple other places as well. But now Grand Rapids has done it. There’s a couple others towns in Michigan, and there’s actually I think they’ve got the signatures were there’s gonna be a ballot measure in November for Michigan voters to vote on decriminalizing psilocybin mushrooms in state so. So you know,

Honey Smith Walls 4:13

How did mushrooms get on the criminal schedule?

Michael Geci, MD 4:19

Well because of psilocybin. You know, because those mushrooms produce psilocybin and it

Honey Smith Walls 4:29

But was that an addendum to the original criminalization the original schedule one of cannabis? Was psilocybin included in that original mess?

Michael Geci, MD 4:44

Yeah, I don’t know that specific detail but in terms of the Controlled Substances Act, I mean, you know, it was cannabis and LSD that were first listed. Then, along the way, I think they put in they put it in the late 80s. I believe.

Honey Smith Walls 5:09

Yeah, that’s right.

Michael Geci, MD 5:11

They put in MDMA.

Honey Smith Walls 5:13

Alright, so, so that was that year right. It was an addendum to the original thing. Yeah, yeah. And they got freaked out in the 60s from people getting high.

Michael Geci, MD 5:24

You know, another project that I haven’t finished, I actually started a book on the Controlled Substance Act and how it’s affected people’s lives and you know, no, context is always so important. And I think something that we neglect so often, when we process information, the idea that the Controlled Substance Act is kindness, you know, act of political control. You know, people didn’t see it that way, initially, you know,  in 1970, because you have to remember that and I’m not trying to you know, give the DEA or the FDA or Congress, you know, a pass on this, but I just think it’s important to understand that, that back then, we were still in the midst of the Cold War. And you know, Vietnam wasn’t going so well… there’s, you know, the domino theory of communism. You know, there was this whole idea that it was the United States, the free world… the beacon of democracy and liberty against the Darkness and Evil of Communism.

I mean, you remember the Cold War and I do…. nuclear drills and tests, fallout shelters and stuff and you know, it’s what got Reagan elected president because he highlighted how much more ahead the Russians were than us and if we didn’t build things up…  and then a year before that in the 70s or the in the 60s, you had all this… I mean, we think things are you know… I think about this every once in a while, we think that things are kind of crazy now, but you think about what it was like in like 90s…

Let’s just take 1968 All right. You have the height of the Civil Rights Movement. You got things that are sort of unraveling, Martin Luther King gets shot in Memphis, and Bobby Kennedy gets shot and killed in in LA and I think it was June. And then Johnson decides he’s not going to run for president and Watts is burning. I mean, so many riots across the United States, and then you had Kent State. And, you know, there was a lot of turmoil. I mean, the Democratic National Convention in 1968. Chicago….you look back now, and you’d think to yourself, holy cow, man, we were on the brink… and I don’t really see that now. I mean, I think that the summer of 2020… We sort of were kind of close… after the George Floyd thing, and people started taking to the streets, you know, that didn’t really last that long, but this lasted for a while.

And so Nixon decided that he was going to put an end to it and he saw the colleges as the focal point of the anti war movement, and he saw drug use as a easy way of arresting people and so sort of controlled substance act. Basically was political manipulation of the intelligentsia and the

Michael Geci, MD 9:25

student activism. And racism as well. I mean, because you know, what ended up, because drug use was as common in people of color as it is in the white community, but yet because of the 14th Amendment, which was the olive branch to the Reconstructionist… Okay, everybody, you know, the 13th amendment was abolition of slavery, but then the 14th amendment was like, Yeah, you’re right. Everybody is free and has equal rights under the Constitution, except if you commit a crime right.

And so, to start arresting people for drug offenses became a quick way of completely disempowering an entire community, right. Because, you know, somebody got arrested for pot or whatever. You know, now they lost their basic civil rights, you know, they lost their appeal, a lot of times they lost their ability to vote. I mean, there’s still a bunch of states where you can’t vote if you have a criminal record.

Honey Smith Walls 10:44

So it was their way of de-gentrification.

Michael Geci, MD 10:50

Yeah. You know, and, and Ehrlichman as you recall, you know, John Ehrlichman was head of domestic policy and he spent like, 18 months in jail for Watergate, but he was he did the Harper’s article in 2016. And he flat out said that the Controlled Substances Act was a total lie. We knew what we were doing. We wanted to stop the anti war movement, and we wanted to put black people back, you know, in his words, put the black man back into their place, right. And, yeah, so, you know, and that’s the thing that to me… I’ve spent a lot of my life trying to figure out logical thinking processes, you know. I spent a lot of time to think for myself and figure things out in a logical fashion. You know. And so, when you look at the Controlled Substances Act, and you look at schedule one substances and, and the fact that there are so many people that are still in jail for a law, that is, I mean, it’s just, it’s just a complete lie. I mean, because, I mean, so, and you know, what I mean by that is that, that these substances that are purported, well reported, I guess, I mean, the substances that are listed as schedule one substances, none of these substances, MDMA, LSD, you know, peyote, psilocybin, you know, cannabis, none of them meet any of the designations for a schedule one substance, none of them are addictive.

I mean, you could make an argument that THC does have some addictive qualities in a subgroup of people. But the other is that the other ones Absolutely not, I mean, there’s no evidence of that whatsoever. They all have medical, you know, potential and medical uses. I mean, MDMA right now is in its second phase three B study, through MAPS, and they’re probably going to get FDA approval, so it’ll be an FDA approved drug. You know, by the end of the year, psilocybin is in a phase three a clinical trial for depression, and that’s great to hear it and the literature on this stuff is just astounding. I mean, you know, how this psychedelic revolution is in Renaissance, if you will… is sweeping across…I mean, it’s completely transforming the field of psychiatry, I mean, now my god it of course, you know, and, and to some extent, cannabis, albeit not really looked at as a psychedelic does do some of the same things as the psychedelics in terms of, you know, affecting the default mode network and causing stimulating neurogenesis, maybe not to the same degree as some of these other substances, but, I mean, it’s so.

And so the last aspect is that… these drugs are dangerous under the supervision of a physician! And nothing could be further from the truth.  So you have these substances that linger under this designation, that is completely false. A complete lie. We just, I mean, talk about the emperor has no clothes… I mean, to me, it’s hard for me to get my head around the fact that we can…. it’s like looking up at the sun and saying that it sets in the west and rises in the east or that, you know, because…

Honey Smith Walls 15:41

it’s so backward. This corruption is so contrary to logic. And yet we have to wrap our heads around the fact that it is corrupt. This the law, the legislation around cannabis and around these other drugs are absolutely corrupt. And that’s why it matters that we get the right people in legislative positions and why it matters that you care about these politics.

Michael Geci, MD 16:13

Yeah, you mentioned the Last Prisoner Project and, you know it’s a really terrific group that is bringing a lot of public attention to the fact that you know, that there are so many cannabis prisoners and as you know, in a lot of my LinkedIn posts, I call them the cannabis POWs. They are prisoners of war in America’s longest war, which is our war on drugs, which just celebrated its 50th anniversary last year. And you know the number of people whose lives have been completely destroyed in the name of protecting public health and name of protecting public safety because of this war on drugs. I mean, it’s just so disingenuous that it’s still going on, and that we have politicians that

Honey Smith Walls 17:28

are willing to lie to us. It’s gob smacking.

Michael Geci, MD 17:33

And are just deaf to this.

Honey Smith Walls 17:36

You know, the fascinating thing is that Dr. Geci is willing to give us the time it takes to have an enthralling conversation about several subjects. I’m just so grateful. He’s willing to share his knowledge and insight with us.

Listen our conversation turned into a series. So Dr. Geci will be back with us next week and the following couple of weeks so you can hear everything that we talked about. I’m so grateful for your time Dr. Geci. Thanks, everybody. Come back next week and hear some more.

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And hey, one last thing. Would you take an extra second to give my podcast a like and review? It’s like Bitcoin crack for the algorithms. Thanks so much. Hey, I hear the cows callin…



Cannaba Verum is Latin for Cannabis Truth. Sourcing factual information about cannabis hasn’t always been easy for a variety of reasons. However now because of modern innovations, it is. My sources are from leaders in cannabis science like:

Roger Adams, U.S. Organic Chemist who isolated the structure of CBD,

Raphael Mechoulam, Israeli Organic Chemist who isolated the structure of THC,

Ethan Russo, Dir R&D International Cannabis and Cannabinoids Institute

Dustin Sulak, DO – my favorite doctor at, teaching the art of Cannabis Healing to the world, and other industry greats like:

Rev. Dr. Kymron DeCesare, Ed Rosenthal, Jack Herer, Michael Backes, and Michael Pollen and so many more… plus I use classical sites like:,, I listen to several daily podcasts to keep up with the latest cannabis news across the nation and throughout the world like: Dr. Codi Peterson et al on The Cannigma and  I trust the and I watch the National Cannabis Industry Association (NCIA) at: and many more like: NCIA’s Cannabis Industry VOICE (

Over past episodes of Cannaba Verum, we’ve listened to some amazing scientists and medical professionals talk about their discoveries and patient successes as hundreds of questionable compounds rise to the public grasp. I am especially interested in the pharmacists movement becoming an integral part of this new medicinal choice.

Watch this machine roll into action through conversations with pharmacy doctors all over the nation like Dr. Leah Johnson out West and Dr. Alan Ao up North. There are so many more but these two have come on my show to explain the situation and it’s fascinating.

You’ll find Citations available on my podcast blog at

PS: Helping society get past the fear of using cannabis will be a lifelong journey for me. This industry is just opening up and most patients and doctors are seriously cannabis naive and need help understanding where to turn for trustworthy information.

If you need help opening that cannabis discussion with your family doctor,  please reach out and grab the Dear Doctor Letter I wrote for this exact purpose. It will explain your decision to try cannabis and ask for their help in monitoring your labs and progress. It will also show them where they can find medical research on the subject of your diagnosis and the effects of cannabis.

You’ll find that letter at 

My Neurologist and Cannabis Expert Medical Marijuana Doctor in Melbourne, FL:

Anthony Mazo, M.D.

Brevard Neuro Center

(321) 733-2711

315 E. Nasa Blvd.

Melbourne, FL 32901.   

All opinions are my own and should not be mistaken as medical advice.

Show Notes:

Have you ever had the pleasure of just chatting with an MD about life around us? Their insight is so vast it feels peeking into a different world… the inside of our bodies and minds. This 25 year ER veteran who has seen the worst of humanity along with the magic of the our human spirit. Come along and enjoy the fruits of Dr. Geci’s thoughts in this special series with our friend and cannabis expert. And take a peek below to see all the links I’ve added for your extracurricular reading enjoyment.

Clubhouse App – Room: “Cannabinoid Science and the Human Body”

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