CT 209 Lex Pelger

April 24, 2023

CT 209 Lex Pelger

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Honey Smith Walls 0:08
Our guest today is writer of The Cannabinoids And The People newsletter. He’s founder of White Whale creations. He’s host of the Lex Files podcast, a scientist and writer and science director with a bachelor’s degree from Boston University in biochemistry and molecular biology. I can’t wait for y’all to hear Lex Pelger today. Come on in.

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Honey Smith Walls 0:00
Welcome to season four of the Cannaba Verum podcast, the Cannabis Truth podcast.
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It does not come with an FDA stamp of approval yet. Using cannabis mindfully as medication is a different concept in Western healthcare philosophy, specifically of the past 100 years. There’s a lot to learn and reconsider.

The information you’ll find here comes straight from scientists and clinicians doing the work and reporting their findings in real time through various live online outlets.
The scientific truth of cannabis is finally getting out and is wide open for all to see at respected medical sites like pubmed.gov and JAMA, the Journal of American Medical Association… and I’m right there in the thick of it with all those titans of medicine… as a fly on the wall.

Because I’m not a doctor, nor did I go to med school. But I did take dozens of private cannabis courses and still engage in continuing education offered by cannabis expert scientists. Over the past few years, I slowly began to see and understand the bigger picture.

Now I talk to people all day long about cannabis and hopefully inspire them to research the facts as we know them today. Cannabis is an amazing alternative in health remedies. It can reportedly alleviate typical disease problems and troubling side effects, even those caused by synthetic prescriptions.

This is Honey Smith Walls, a 21st century cannabis shaman, not a doctor, not a scientist, raised by nuns and wolves in the verdant cattle pastures of the Oklahoma oil fields. I’m here to amplify the truth of this great big story of cannabis in historical, political, scientific and spiritual terms, so you can make educated decisions about the medicine you choose to ingest.

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Honey Smith Walls :04
It sounds like I have Lex right. Hi. Oh, hi. Gosh, I’m thrilled that you could spend a little time with us. Lex I’ve been hanging out on your website for a few minutes and I don’t even know where to start. You know between the author Marjorie Woollacott and the White Whale Creations and the Moby Dick pot books, and you being with the Father of Cannabis and everything. And here you are with us… sharing some of all of your experiences. We’re just really grateful. Okay, why don’t you tell my audience a little bit about yourself?

Lex Pelger 3:43
Okay, yeah. So I grew up in a farm country in Lancaster, Pennsylvania. And what really got me interested in studying drugs in general was in college just taking magic mushrooms and walking with friends. And they say that your first good experience of drugs and sex flavor all of the rest. And so my first good experience which is walking with friends through, you know, half nature half like nice urban settings. And that’s how I like to do it ever since.

And so I started studying how psychedelics worked in the brain and then talking to a lot of people in the real world about what they were experiencing. And then eventually I wanted to write my first book, and I’m like, Well, I’ll start with cannabis. How hard could it be?

I’ll get it done in a year. Much flash. And that was my great hubris because I didn’t know who Jack Herrera was. I didn’t know about anandamide. I thought I was this hotshot young drug writer and I didn’t know the endocannabinoid system yet.

And so I spent five years just doing research on the science of it and then doing a lot of traveling to talk to experts around the US and some in Europe and Israel, as well.

And so, I finally did get some of those books written. It’s a graphic novel series. It’s based on Moby Dick. One of them’s available for sale on Amazon right now. You can see some of the other chapters at lexpelger.com.

Honey Smith Walls 5:04
I wish it were in audio.

Lex Pelger 5:07
I’m thinking about doing an audio edition just as I’m doing.

Honey Smith Walls 5:10
I wish you would… just do it for me, honey, please? I really, you know, it’s so hard for me to read and audibles or the audio versions of books are just so helpful. And I want to read your books!

Lex Pelger 5:26
I should make it an animated walkthrough version of it for YouTube.

Honey Smith Walls 5:32
Ohh that sounds wonderful. God I love technology. Tell me before you go any further, how was it that research caught you by the what whats?

Lex Pelger 5:42
Yeah, yeah, that’s a good question. Because really before anything else, science was the thing that captured my attention besides books. I loved books as I was a kid. It’s fun to see it in my kids.

But in seventh grade, I learned about Punnett squares and genetics. And I’m like this is fascinating. And ever since then, I just knew I was going to do school for something like genetic engineering. And so I ended up going to college for biochemistry, which at the time, I thought wasn’t probably the best place for me to study because I like the organism level like evolution, but now I’m reading my books about neuro chemistry and biochemistry.

And so it’s really good to have a solid foundation there. Because the great metaphor and the reason I’m using Moby Dick is you’re dealing with all of these neurotransmitters and enzymes and they don’t really feel real to people.

But if you make it a metaphor where the ocean is, and then another nice piece of great white whale, you can have all of these creatures crane on each other breaking each other down changing what’s happening in the neurons, which are giant underwater cities.

And the metaphor was just so perfect for that first pick, it just helps it only gets better and better. The more I learn about ocean and the more I learn about the brain, the more I see, as above, so below type stuff going on. More and more rich. So for me, it was always about science. But then my angle was a science writer, drug writer, became talking to the people in the real world doing these drugs, doing some of them myself as well, but then being able to explain the science of what’s happening as well.

Honey Smith Walls 7:18
I’ve become interested in the correlation between dendrites and hyphae. You know, the whole ocean thing and the white whale and I’m so right there with you. It’s so wonderful. It’s also interesting and fascinating isn’t it…

Lex Pelger 7:39
It is yeah. And it just keeps being similar across all of these levels of science. And I think it’s endlessly fascinating.

Honey Smith Walls 7:46
Who was your first big interview, you know, that you were so thrilled about?

Lex Pelger 7:53
Oh, that’s a really good question. I think the first one who really inspired me was Ethan Needleman of the Drug Policy Alliance. Because he has a show right now. That’s really great podcast that I would recommend people check out but he just started the Drug Policy Alliance as a way to change the drug laws. But at first he did a whole bunch of reading you can still go into the DPA office in New York and there’s 1000s of books and mostly it’s just his personal library that he donated. Yeah, he got a really solid grounding of what was really happening in the world with drugs. And then the drug policy studies that are sometimes helpful and sometimes out of touch. And he created this powerhouse organization with the help of the money of George Soros and made an organization… I think, is so powerful for changing the world through laws. And so to me, that was really inspiring mix of study and practicality. And ever since I’ve tried to follow his work and stay in touch with him, because that’s what I’m hoping to do as well to use this angle on science to actually make a change out there somehow.

Honey Smith Walls 9:13
I just spoke to Dr. Bridget Cole Williams, who is a mover and a shaker and trying to do the same thing in her realm of medical professional trying to change the way doctors are taught, trying to change the system. And so I see what you’re doing and yes, right behind you. It’s just thrilling to be part of the engine, isn’t it?

Lex Pelger 9:42
Yeah, yeah. It’s an exciting time. And now it’s more in the “grocery business” time of it all corporate attitude. Yeah, but that’s gonna be part of it though, it was fascinating to watch. It happened with cannabis. And now it’s fascinating to watch it happen in an even faster way. With psychedelics. They were both close to my heart. And now you’re seeing what happens when they actually get freed up and you know, it was obvious it was going to be messy. And here we are. It’s messy.

Honey Smith Walls 10:12
Right, as the whole world is… the whole world is just a big messy jumble of humans and animals.

Dr. Raphael Mechoulam just passed… my audience may or may not know that I’ve been a little weepy over it… surprised at how it affected me like this, you know, but Geez, what a powerful mind. Of course, we’re so thrilled that he’s transitioned and happy for it, right? Yeah, who’s the next big mind after him? Who do you think?

Lex Pelger 11:06
To me, the person I love to follow the most is Dr. Vincenzo Di Marzo. Yeah, because what’s cool about Di Marzo is… He’s very sweet and approachable. Like, you know, 10 years ago he let me sit him down for an interview even though nobody knew who I was. I did the same thing. And the cool part about Dr. Di Marzo is that he isn’t just like one of the best endocannabinoid people with his publications and such… He’s one of the top chemists… biochemists in the entire world. And he just happens to be in this endocannabinoid field. So it’s not that he’s a giant in our little domain. He’s a giant in terms of science in general, and we’re lucky to have him here in endocannabinoid research.

And so, to anyone listening who doesn’t know much about the science of this, we want something really readable if you look up a review article published with Dr. Vincenzo Di Marco usually you’re gonna find some that’s really readable with some nice charts that has a great link to everything that’s been done.

Yeah. The primary research in science can be a little bit harder to get through but the other thing gets published is review articles. And review articles tend to be really good summaries of what’s been done. Yeah, so that’s where I would get started.

The other place I’ll put a plug in if you want, like a general breakdown of science, but my newsletter is cannabinoids and the people… it’s one Sub Stack. And I go through and get pretty much every piece of science of cannabinoid science that comes out each week. And that includes a lot of really nicely done review articles. And so it’s a good place to find what’s going on for different diseases.

The other an archive that I maintain is CV Research at https://www.cvresearch.info/. It’s for a CBD company that I consult with, and it has by organs or by a number of different diseases, everything that CBD can do and for each of those, there’s dozens to hundreds of articles on each of those systems. So it can be really great way for a doctor or healthcare professional or a patient to dive in and see what can help for you.

Honey Smith Walls 13:13
I will have those links available for my audience. You mentioned something my audience may not be familiar with sub-stack?

Lex Pelger
Yeah, SubStack, a big newsletter platform. And so there’s a lot of people like me publishing on their small area of interest, and so it’s just an easy way to put out a weekly newsletter.

Honey Smith Walls 13:37
There you go. Okay, so there it is audience and again, I’ll have links to that. So here you are, big researcher, big book writer, big author, and this stuff just pours out of you, like, you know, air and life itself. And and it’s so precious to hear that your children are interested in science like you were too. We need so much more of that.

Lex Pelger 14:06
Yes, yeah, it is fun. I have a bunch of books on female scientists here and I have a little history wall in the basement and I try to keep that of the key dates of feminism and that kind of stuff current and it’s what I do on my tick tock as well. I tried to do science education around the contributions of female scientists out there.

Honey Smith Walls 14:28
I love Tik Tok for science. It is just so much fun and it makes science so easy and accessible. For those of us who may have been afraid of it, you know, because we had the most boring science teachers in the world in the 50s and 60s. I hate dating myself, but there it is. And your science Well, I saw that book of female scientists and I took a screenshot of it and sent it to my daughter in law for my granddaughters. And I love your history… Oh, wow. It’s just amazing fun to see you pick up those those little cards and say… “on this date…”. You know that was pretty cool. That’s a great idea.

Lex Pelger 15:20
Cool, thanks. Yeah, yeah, yeah, it’s fun. For people who want to see my TED talk, that is at Lex Pelger and his books, and so it’s a lot of science on history and a lot of hermeticism. I recently had my first viral video over my hermetic memory wall which you know, as above so below, it relates to the science stuff as well. So in case you’re into tick tock, it’s fun. I appreciate tick tock. It’s the only platform I feel like I learned a lot on anymore.

Honey Smith Walls 15:47
Oh, oh, and I don’t have time to go visit it very much. But I see how the scientists in our tribe on LinkedIn are dealing with it. You know, like Dr. Codi Peterson, and he does a bunch of stuff on on tick tock. That’s just hysterical. But Megan Mbengue and her brother who are… wish I could get this right… Great nurses. Caring caring nurses. (TrustedCannaNurse.com) Oh, shoot. I’ll have that link in my show notes too. But anyway, she does hysterical stuff. Megan MBengue (sounds like Bing), Rn, BSN, Etc… on Tik Tok and your mind is blown with cannabis science. Great. Yeah. It’s so refreshing.

Lex Pelger 16:33
Tick tock will ban you pretty quick for that. I actually don’t put anything about the plant on tick tock. I just keep that for YouTube.

Honey Smith Walls 16:39
Yeah I think she got banned from it. Yeah, she did, which I regard as a badge of honor. Yeah.

Lex Pelger 16:46
Yeah, but I just can’t sink too much time into it because you just never know when you’ll disappear.

Honey Smith Walls 16:50
So what are you thinking about your time now what’s big and coming up for you?

Lex Pelger 16:56
Well, my business as you know, takes a good bit of my time. It’s White Whale Creations and I make content for cannabinoid and psychedelic companies. But then for my downtime, it’s mostly trying to work on the next phase of my graphic novels about the endocannabinoid system.

So I’m just releasing the first ones that I did from before I had kids and then the next one is the Elephant Folio, which is about how the scientists figured out the structure of the first cannabinoid we solved… which was CBN (Cannabinol), back around World War Two…

And the whole metaphor is treating that cannabinoid like an elephant, because it makes a lot of sense to the metaphor, because elephants are just whales on the land.

And so the cannabinoids from the plant or elephants, the cannabinoids in our own brains… are whales. And so I just have to reformat that for self publishing on Amazon and that book will be up for sale again to that and get started from the very beginning of this whole thing with Call Me Jasper.

And then I’ll lay out the whole human history with cannabis as well as the science side… and then the last part is the Captain Ahab side with prohibition running rampant through all of human history and then Harry Anslinger, and then Nixon and Reagan and Obama was no good either.

No, I really try to focus a lot on the dark side of this. It’s why Moby Dick is such a good inspiration because a lot of it’s on the dark side of human character. And cannabis has brought out awful, awful things in humans and our governance and, as much as I love the science side and find that beautiful and fascinating… we have to focus on all of the lives that have been destroyed by this prohibition. So that’s a big focus of my reading, which is depressing, as well as my writing.

Honey Smith Walls 18:45
I am, I’m stuck on one thing you said that cannabis caused the bad stuff to come out of man.

Lex Pelger 18:59
Yeah, or the reaction? What’s the line from from HL Mencken? That Americans trained in puritanism that you’re afraid that somewhere somebody might be enjoying themselves? And there’s just this tendency in humans to impose your your will and cannabis and other psychoactives of that ilk tend to bring out that kind of reaction, that fear.

Yeah, there’s a fear of loss of control, just like… that’s it. Yeah, a human feels that fear of loss of control when they take a psychedelic and I think there’s a a correspondence to how the society has a fear as psychedelics seep out into it, that this could undermine everything about what we believe, and it’s why the 60s had such a strong backlash.

People like blaming Timothy Leary these days for the excesses of the 60s but it wasn’t really and that brought the crack down. But I don’t think it’s fair to blame him. He had a very open view of what these things could do. And whoever popularized them, it was going to lead to a backlash because truly integrating psychedelics would break down a good bit of how society works now and there is a lot of momentum against that happening.

Honey Smith Walls 20:28
There’s also a lot of momentum for it happening. I was recently in Miami for the Cannadelic conference with about 1000 close friends feeling like I was in the lap of love. And there was very, very little cannabis science going on, except maybe out of a panel of lawyers talking about D8.

But what the clinicians who were there were discussing was how to open up a clinic for psychedelics and cannabinoids and “how to”… because it’s all coming in across the United States… psychedelics are coming legal before cannabis is completely freed or legitimized or however you want to describe it at this point in the cannabis era.

So I’m thinking that movement is actually gaining quite a bit of momentum too from medical professionals. And I know how people like to blame Timothy Leary for a lot of stuff. But when you look at and you mentioned this, when you look at the AIDS epidemic that brought in this flux of cannabis for relief from the ravages of AIDS, and then you look also at the medical marijuana migration of the mothers who went to Colorado to try to save their epileptic babies… You know, it’s always… cannabis has always been medicinal, and it may always have been recreational, too. But, you know, we’ve got to get over these puritanistic ideas of control that losing our minds to a drug or a compound is a bad thing.

Lex Pelger 22:30
Yes, yes, absolutely. And the hard part is, as someone who studies the history… is how it feels… like, you have to keep putting up the good fight, but it’s hard to imagine it ever really winning because you talk about the AIDS crisis. That’s actually what the book I just published…. I call it “The Queer Chapter”. Yeah, it’s all about how the AIDS crisis in San Francisco led to the birth of the idea of medical marijuana, pretty much in the world, certainly in the US because it was the only thing that worked and it worked so well that finally journalists started paying attention and the doctors, but even throughout all of that, the cops started their eradication program and called camp and they just in the midst of this… destroyed the medicine all up and down California… and even though it was so clearly working to anybody who paid attention, it just didn’t matter at all… and the prohibitionist IQ kickback was so strong… and it’s never stopped… they’re still burning plants every year.

Honey Smith Walls 23:38
Not only that, they forbade the farmers from feeding their animals hemp and cannabis which in turn got out of all of us over the past 100 years of prohibition. Thanks, all of them. Our population has not gotten any kind of complement of cannabinoids that they were getting before prohibition.

So here we are with more add more Parkinson’s more OCD more, ADHD more, you know all of these Hello IBS. Hello, all of these, you know, autoimmune diseases… because we haven’t had the cannabinoid complement to fight off any of that stuff. And we’ve just been getting sicker as a as a society because of it.

Lex Pelger 24:34
Yes, yes, absolutely. And even hemp seeds themselves are still one of the main snacks in China and they have this perfect fatty acid profile for helping to balance out your lipid system. Yeah, and it’s the reason that after studying this for 10-15 years, it’s amazing how many diseases we have really solid data on about the cannabinoids helping and it really speaks to the power of the endocannabinoid system, which is important for people out there to know… that the cannabinoids are lipids. They’re really just fatty molecule fat.

Yeah, it makes it much harder to study. It’s one of the reasons… it’s not only prohibition, that means that these aren’t as well studied. It’s also fatty acids are slippery in a test tube and they’re hard to study. Oh, yeah. And also lipids have been somewhat of a backwater of research… for a long time, people focused on things like proteins, because it’s sexier.

Now we realize they always thought lipids were just food. They’re fatty acids that the cells used to produce energy. And it turns out that yes, of course, you have this protein signaling system, but your lipid signaling system is even more fine tuned. Cells are excellent at detecting even the minute changes in the fatty acids around them and responding to those changes.
And so, the endocannabinoid system, one of the best definitions I’ve heard about it is that because the endocannabinoid system is so tied, up in your neuronal system, hormonal system and your immune system, the three biggest, most complex, most mysterious systems in our body, the endocannabinoid system seems to bring all three of those together as a management regulatory…. yeah as like an overall regulatory system and it speaks to why fine tuning the endocannabinoid system helps in dozens and dozens of major diseases.

Honey Smith Walls 26:35
And 98 for 99% of the doctors on the planet don’t know that there even exists an endocannabinoid system of receptors.

Lex Pelger 26:44
Yeah, they weren’t taught at school and there’s too many things to learn. And yeah, it’s really tough.

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Lex Pelger 28:06
You know, a person I bet people out there would love to know about is someone who just did a video about Dr. Candace PERT. She is a scientific hero of mine because one, she discovered the first endorphins in humans and endorphins are endogenous morphine in this pain killing system that we only found because of the opium plant.

She was the first person to put that together. But her researcher she was looking at working for took credit for it, and sort of winning prizes for her discovery. And instead… and that happens to a lot of grad students… but instead of not reacting and just taking it… she stood up as a grad student and Postgrad and started saying this is not fair. This is my work, not his and probably lost him his chance at a Nobel Prize for this stuff.

And she became a bit of a pariah in the neurochemical community for daring to do that and also probably… she wore brightly colored dresses and laughed a lot and didn’t come off as a typical drab person at these conferences. You know, she was a big, bright, colorful character. But she got more famous on the side of science of integrating different things and so to me, her great scientific reasoning is that we are operating under this false dichotomy… trichotomy of the neuronal cells and the immune cells and hormone cells being three different things, when really they should be viewed as one system.

You should see your immune cells as traveling neurons, you should see hormone hormone cells as slow acting neurons. And all three of these are constantly interacting, and doctors tend to get buried in their own silo of whichever cell it is that they specialize in, but really, they’re all working together, and that in the future generations, we’re going to see this neuro- hormonal- immune system as one complete package.

She wasn’t talking about endocannabinoid systems specifically, but I do think it also relates to that about how the endocannabinoids are involved in all those systems as well.

But it’s a really beautiful piece of scientific reasoning. And it also speaks to power some scientists not having to do their work in the laboratory. She did a lot of great laboratory work, but that was more an idea she had… sometimes some scientists work best at the bar. They just sit there and talk to their friends about their research and get these overall overarching ideas. And she could also do that and that idea is one that’s never left me and is one that’s percolating out into the wider world.

Honey Smith Walls 30:45
Wow. Wow, I love how that ripples.

Lex Pelger 30:52
By the way, her book is called The Molecules of Emotion. And I don’t know how many books I’ve read on brain cells and neurology. It is absolutely one of the best I’ve ever read and it’s very readable. So if you want to learn something about the brain by a beautiful soul, The Molecules of Emotion by Dr. Candace PERT.

Honey Smith Walls 31:07
I do indeed and in fact, I feel like I’m already in the middle of reading a book exactly like that by Dr. Marjorie Willacott. And she’s just an amazing author and woman and would you mind telling me about your your interview with her?

Lex Pelger 31:34
Yeah, yeah, it was, it was about two years ago now. So um, if I remember correctly, she was a scientist doing fairly normal work, who got interested in what I would call super normal phenomena, that people that might call paranormal you know, outside the norm, so things like ESP and reincarnation and stuff of the mind being greater than the body.

Honey Smith Walls 32:01
Is Reiki outside the norm?

Lex Pelger 32:05
Yes, yeah… I think energy healing would fall under that. And the thing about I mean, I only got turned on to those to actually look into this, I don’t know five years ago by a guy named Dr. Jeffrey Crapo (Host: no link found) out of Rice University who writes some great books about it. And I didn’t have much an opinion of the supernormal stuff because I hadn’t looked… like I don’t know about telepathy or UFO was really that. Well, maybe there isn’t. I didn’t look because of him. I started looking and I’m like, Oh, my God, this stuff. It’s just data. It’s if you trust people being able to tell you what’s happening in front of them… And don’t just discount anecdotes.

As someone who works in the drug field, you can’t discount anecdotes. Like nothing I’ve learned about LSD from studies in mice really matters to me. It’s all about what people tell me. And when you start gathering the stories of reincarnation… stories where kids end up knowing all kinds of things about a family on the other side of India, that how could they possibly know and in any (Hello Dalai Lama?)

Yeah, exactly. Yeah, it’s just one of my key things about this… you really don’t need any data collected after 1900 or so. If you looked at just the work of the Society for Psychical Research out of England, in like the 1880s or looking at unidentified stuff in the skies before we had airplanes. You can see on the work of Charles Fort, who came up with 14 phenomena. There is it’s just an overwhelming amount of data. And one of the things I really appreciate about it is anybody who soaks themselves in these fields is the first to admit we don’t know why. We have some guesses at the scientific theories about what might be going on with dimensions and the basis of mind-being and not matter-being at the base of what’s happening, but nobody really knows… you don’t get to know the answers.

And the best way to study it is to just look at all the phenomena as Annie Dillard said, “If you can’t see the forest, study the trees for long enough and then you’ve got it.”

And so if you’re interested in this stuff, just start reading. I think Marjorie Walcott’s book is really great entrepreneurial phenomena in general.

Leslie Kean if you want to know about the… if you don’t believe in UFOs it means you’re not an evidence-based person.

In my opinion. I can now say read the book by Lesley Kean. That’s all about radar signatures. And militaries acknowledging what they’ve seen. And so there’s just so much out there… all of this stuff, and it’s just fascinating and fun. If you’re not into this, that’s fine. You can’t be into everything, but I really don’t appreciate when people dismiss it when you’ve never read even a book on the subject.

Honey Smith Walls 35:06
Here’s what I love about vibrations. You can take a vibration going into your body… into your ear… and it’s a sound thing that that turns into an electrical thing that turns into a chemical thing.

And, you can direct all of that in your mind according to these brilliant scientists who have been collecting all of these anecdotal testimonies about near death experiences and how there is a bigger awareness and space around us that we have yet to discover… and how to live in this body with the thing that started it to begin with… that started the body… that Spark of Life that started the body to begin with.
That thing’s gonna leave our body and where it goes, we still don’t know but we know it lives in us. Yeah, if you don’t believe in UFOs you’re pretty narrow minded.

Lex Pelger 36:18
If you don’t care either way, great. Like, whatever. There’s lots of things that I care about. But if you’re against it if you don’t know…

Honey Smith Walls 36:24
I just love what you’re doing.

Lex Pelger 36:27
Yeah. Thank you. Thank you. Yeah. And I think what you said about vibrations is one of the key ideas. One of the key theories that people talk about what’s going on is that, just like, there is this electromagnetic spectrum, and we can see a narrowband of it with our eyes and we can detect larger pieces of it like radio waves or shorter ones like microwaves and now we have equipment for that…

But there is something like that going on with these creatures, these beings whatever entities that come in and out of existence here and that just like probably the best person read on that theory is John Keel and he was a journalist. I like journalists because I am one, I like their thinking. He doesn’t…. he talks about the theories but really, he just collects a whole bunch of data and lets you try to piece it together.

And one of the things being when there are these entity encounters so often there’s things that seem to indicate they’re popping in like… they’re making themselves animate here, in a space. It’s an inanimate, and to me, that thing that might be going on in the majority of the universe is something we call dark matter or dark energy… that it’s a mix of the two, but no one has any idea what that really means.

Those are standing words for us saying, we know that this kind of stuff is out there, but even the words matter and energy might not apply to it.

So we know this, the majority of the universe is completely invisible and unknown to us. And so to me, it could make a lot of sense. That is where the spirit world is. It is all of this stuff that we can just now sense is out there scientifically, but cannot access yet. And maybe the best people or access to that are the mediums that Allan Kardec was asking questions of 100 years ago.

Honey Smith Walls 38:21
Oh, wow. Yeah. I like getting lost in space with you.

Lex Pelger 38:31
About the supernormal side of things. More usually it’s more on the drug side, but, you know, I think it all relates and I see some very scientific literal men online being like… well, all the entities that you see when you’re taking things like DMT or LSD… that’s all in your mind.

It’s like you have a lot of hubris if you’re going to say that… with the history of folklore… with the history of religion… and the entities that exist at the bases, you know, the base stories of all of these religions, as well as the entity stuff from the last 100 years… to say that in this very narrow band of the entity thing, it’s all in your head?

I mean, it just shows you haven’t looked at any of the other stuff, especially the history of folklore. The more I dive into that, the more I realized that none of this is new, and it used these entities to come in… they come in, being processed by your mind…

And so it used to be they would use religious phenomena because that’s what worked, but then it stopped working. The last great religious thing like that was the Miracle of Fatima. And as John Keel says, it was a bit of a bust. It was this giant like engineered thing. They the entities kept coming back, the kids kept seeing them. 1000s of people would gather and see all of this crazy stuff…

Honey Smith Walls 39:50
The sun bouncing around in the sky. I know the story of that.

Lex Pelger 39:54
Yeah, and it happened and she at the very end like the big build up after months of this like a dog and pony show engineered by something. There was a text given to these kids. And then the text was just taken by the Catholic Church and disappeared into the archives and no one’s ever seen it. And that’s when things started…. Yeah, the secret disappeared.

And that’s when it started to shift from being a religious phenomena when they would appear to a scientific one because now our religion is science and we have a lot of people into scientism… is the idea. This very blind faith in science, where it’s like proven or not proven, when things haven’t actually been studied. And so after that, you know, 45-47 that’s when the first scientific apparition started to happen with Arnold getting chased by things that look like what we now think of as UFOs.

But there was a definite mindset of the of the people that are filtering this and a different tack was taken after The Miracle Fatima failed to do whatever it was supposed to do.

Honey Smith Walls 41:05
That Miracle of Fatima… I thought a pope was supposed to reveal that third, that third message? Some 20 or 30 years ago? Yeah,

Lex Pelger 41:17
I don’t know. I don’t pay too much attention to the Catholic Church. Yeah, I don’t either. The Popes wear a dress because of their co-opting the old female leaders…

Honey Smith Walls 41:28
Oh, like no denying drag is what I say. Some of my best friends are “queens”. Anyway, God, this has been such a lovely chat and like you… I don’t often get to talk about that sort of mystical stuff going on. In fact, I usually save that for a different, totally different stage talking about the introspection of cannabis and what all it affords us and how we think… and thought discipline… that’s a whole nother subject that I just adore. And learning from these scientists has been a fast track to inner peace, really. It was science that led me to spirit and to find out about all three.

Lex Pelger 42:23
Yeah, that’s great. I actually feel a pretty similar story. And I think anything that’s a great point to say here at the end is that for all the fun of studying these phenomenon, what might be happening and the theories and the arguments that start to happen, like, all that really matters is if you can take this stuff and help it help yourself to live a better life.

You know, we all know what that means, even though it’s hard to define it, but it’s about the fruits of the Spirit that come out of this stuff. And if you’re using this, these studies that just disagree with other people and bash them… what you see a lot of… especially because there’s a lot of disinformation campaigns being waged here, but I think you have to remember that’s really, this needs to be a practical thing… just like any spirituality does. You know, if this isn’t helping you be less of a jerk to your wife or husband… Or whoever…. You know, who cares? You know, it’s like dandruff. It just gives you something to fiddle with.

Honey Smith Walls 43:31
It’s been so much fun to hang out with you and I appreciate your time so much. Would you tell my audience where you are?

Lex Pelger 43:39
Yeah, I’m in Bordeaux, France, and yeah, not too far from the ocean.

Honey Smith Walls 43:44
And how is the weather treating you today over there?

Lex Pelger 43:47
It’s great. Spring has just started and even though my kid… my oldest has chickenpox, it’s not too bad. And she’s sitting in the sun and reading books out there. And we’re having a chance to hang out today. So yeah, yeah. (Did you have chickenpox as a kid?) Yeah… we all did, so Yeah, hangin out with the kid. So that’s good.

Honey Smith Walls 44:04
Oh, God love her… tell her we understand how she feels and she’s lucky to have her dad with her. That’s awesome. Yeah. Okay, well, Lex. Thank you. Again. I’m gonna put all of these links in my show notes… everybody, please be sure and check out lexpelger.com and find out just what is in his mind. It’s such a pleasure.

Lex Pelger 44:32
I thank you so much. It’s been a great pleasure to talk to you.

Honey Smith Walls 44:34
Thank you again. Take care. Bye bye. Bye bye.


You’ve been listening to another Cannabis Truth Podcast with 21st century cannabis shaman Honey Smith Walls, (that’s me) about the importance of using verifiably safe products.

The process of getting a diagnosis from your family doctor and taking your records to a cannabis specialist can lead you to the correct cannabinoid therapy for those issues.

Otherwise, you’re just your own guinea pig looking for answers without any foundational knowledge or ability to determine the best choices or strategies…

To find a qualified cannabis expert to help in your area, visit cannabisclinicians.org. It is a national society of cannabis experts and you’ll see that link down in my show notes.

Unless otherwise proven by a reputable third party lab test, please regard all street weed as contaminated. It may do grave harm to a patient with a delicate immune system who already has inflammatory issues like arthritis, IBS, Fibromyalgia or worse.

Thanks so much for your time today. I hope you found value and understanding through conversations you’ve listened to on this podcast. Pax Vobiscum…

OOh I hear the cows callin…

Transcribed by https://otter.ai

Cannaba Verum is Latin for Cannabis Truth. Sourcing factual information about cannabis hasn’t always been easy for a variety of reasons. However now because of modern innovations, it is. My sources are from leaders in cannabis science like:

Roger Adams, U.S. Organic Chemist who isolated the structure of CBD,

Raphael Mechoulam, Israeli Organic Chemist who isolated the structure of THC,

Ethan Russo, Dir R&D International Cannabis and Cannabinoids Institute

Dustin Sulak, DO – my favorite doctor at healer.com, teaching the art of Cannabis Healing to the world, and other industry greats like:

Rev. Dr. Kymron DeCesare, Ed Rosenthal, Jack Herer, Michael Backes, and Michael Pollen and so many more… plus I use classical sites like: PubMed.gov, JAMAnetwork.com, ResearchGate.com. I listen to several daily podcasts to keep up with the latest cannabis news across the nation and throughout the world like: Dr. Codi Peterson et al on The Cannigma Podcast, MJTodayDaily.com and MarijuanaMoment.net. I trust the CBDProject.org and CannabisScienceTech.com. I watch the National Cannabis Industry Association (NCIA) at: thecannabisindustry.org and many more like: NCIA’s Cannabis Industry VOICE (CannabisRadio.com)

Over past episodes of Cannaba Verum, we’ve listened to some amazing scientists and medical professionals talk about their discoveries and patient successes as hundreds of questionable compounds rise to the public grasp. I am especially interested in the pharmacists movement becoming an integral part of this new medicinal choice.

Watch this machine roll into action through conversations with pharmacy doctors all over the nation like Dr. Leah Johnson and Dr. Codi Peterson out West and Dr. Alan Ao up North. There are so many more getting involved now… these are just a few who have come on my show to explain the situation and it’s fascinating.

You’ll find citations available on my podcast blog at cannabaverum.com

PS: Helping society get past the fear of using cannabis will be a lifelong journey for me. This industry is just opening up and most patients and doctors are seriously cannabis naive and need help understanding where to turn for trustworthy information.

If you need help opening that cannabis discussion with your family doctor, please reach out and grab the Dear Doctor Letter I wrote for this exact purpose. It will explain your decision to try cannabis and ask for their help in monitoring your labs and progress. It will also show them where they can find medical research on the subject of your diagnosis and the effects of cannabis.

You’ll find that letter at cannabaverum.com

My specialist in hormonal help: Dr. Genester Wilson-King, M.D. and Founder
Victory Rejuvenation Center – Orlando, Florida

My Neurologist and Cannabis Expert Medical Marijuana Doctor in Melbourne, FL:

Anthony Mazo, M.D.
Brevard Neuro Center
(321) 733-2711
315 E. Nasa Blvd.
Melbourne, FL 32901.
All opinions are my own and should not be mistaken as medical advice.

Here are some other helpful links as well:
(1) Microdosing – https://healer.com/cbd-cannabis-dosage-guide-project-cbd-interview-with-dr-sulak/
(2) Concentrates – https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/29307505/
(3) Cannabis Helps Dementia Podcast – Anchor.FM/cannabishelpsdementia
(4) Society of Cannabis Clinicians – https://www.cannabisclinicians.org/
(5) Take the Pledge – GreenTakeover.com
(6) Handbook for Clinicians – Principles and Practice – https://wwnorton.com/books/9780393714180
(7) Dr. Angie Krause, DVM – BoulderHolisticVet.com
(8) The Cannigma Podcast = https://cannigma.com/podcast/behind-the-scenes-on-cannabis-normalization-with-jm-pedini/
(9) Curious About Cannabis Podcast = https://cacpodcast.com/
(10) The Big Book of Terps by Russ Hudson = thebigbookofterps.com
(11) Learn Sativa University = SativaUniversity.com

Lex Pelger: https://www.LexPelger.com

White Whale Creations: https://www.whitewhalecreations.com/

Lex Files Podcast: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-lex-files/id1516718088

Nathan Nadelman – Drug Policy – https://drugpolicy.org/staff/ethan-nadelmann-founder

Dr. Vincenzo di Marzo – https://medicalcannabis.com/about/faculty/vincenzo-di-marzo/

CV Research: https://www.cvresearch.info/

SubStack: substack.com

Trusted Canna Nurse: TrustedCannaNurse.com

Dr. Candace PERT – The Molecules of Emotion: https://www.amazon.com/Molecules-Emotion-Science-Mind-Body-Medicine-ebook/dp/B003L77V74#:~:text=In her groundbreaking book Molecules,philosophers have pondered for centuries.

Dr. Marjorie Woolacott: Infinite Awareness: https://www.amazon.com/Infinite-Awareness-Awakening-Scientific-Mind/dp/144225033X

Charles Fort – https://www.goodreads.com/en/book/show/606448

Annie Dillard: https://www.anniedillard.com/

Leslie Kean: https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/authors/114166/leslie-kean/

John Keel: https://www.amazon.com/John-A-Keel/e/B000APFOGA

Allan Kardec: https://www.amazon.com/Books-Allan-Kardec/s?rh=n:283155,p_27:Allan+Kardec

Miracle of Fatima: https://www.google.com/search?q=miracle of fatima 1917&tbm=#ip=1

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