CV 193 Sage Stories

January 2, 2023

CV 193 Sage Stories


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Hello, my friends. I can’t wait for you to hear the stories of this lovely nurse. Still working full time at 70 with grand plans to change our systems of health care for her patients. Be sure to check the show notes for convenient links to all the places you’ll want to investigate at the end of our chat and grab a drink and put your feet up or turn me on in the car. Wink wink. Right after the intro…


Honey Smith Walls 0:00

Welcome to season four of the Cannaba Verum podcast, the cannabis truth podcast. I speak the language of cannabis freely and uncensored while educating my audience on safe use of this live plant therapy. You should know what’s in your cannabis. What’s good and what’s not. It does not come with an FDA stamp of approval yet.

Using cannabis mindfully as medication is a different concept in Western healthcare philosophy, specifically the past 100 years. There’s a lot to learn and reconsider. The information you’ll find here comes straight from the scientists and clinicians doing the work and reporting their findings in real time through various live online outlets. The scientific truth of cannabis is finally getting out and is wide open for all to see at respected medical sites like and JAMA, the Journal of American Medical Association (

I’m right there in the thick of it with all those titans of medicine as a fly on the wall. Because I’m not a doctor. I didn’t go to med school. I did take dozens of private cannabis courses offered by cannabis expert scientists online over the past few years and slowly began to see and understand the bigger picture.

Well, I can talk to people all day long about cannabis… and hopefully inspire them to research the facts as we know them today.

Cannabis is an amazing alternative in health remedies that can reportedly alleviate typical disease problems and troubling side effects caused by synthetic prescriptions. This is Honey Smith Walls, a 21st century cannabis shaman… not a doctor… not a scientist. Raised by nuns and wolves in the verdant cattle pastures of the Oklahoma oil fields. I’m here to amplify the truth of this great big story and language of cannabis in historical, political and scientific terms… so you can make educated decisions about the medicine you choose to ingest.

Seg 1

Honey Smith Walls 0:04

Hey, it sounds like I have Rebecca.  Hello, how are you?

Rebecca Baron  0:10

I am great. How are you honey?

Honey Smith Walls 0:12

I’m doing just fine. It’s such a beautiful day down here in Florida right now where I am. How about you?

Rebecca Baron  0:17

Well, we are in the upper Midwest and it’s about 30 degrees out there but no snow. So that’s a good day.

Honey Smith Walls 0:29

Yeah, how long does that season lasts for you? Is it four months or?

Rebecca Baron  0:33

Oh, you know it really varies. I gotta say what, you know, people always say, Oh, we’re just in a drought. Well, no, let’s call it what it is. It’s climate change. Yeah. And it’s getting more and more to the point of less snow, less cold weather and then just maybe having some horrific type storms and they’ve kind of come through and kind of like, you know, the hurricanes in Florida and some of the other other, you know, weather anomalies throughout this world. We do get those as well. So, right now, it’s a good day.

Honey Smith Walls 1:08

Yeah, I’m glad to hear that it is that you know, trying to make those happy childhood memories of a white Christmas come through every year just doesn’t work anymore, does it?

Rebecca Baron  1:22

Not like it did… not like it did…

Honey Smith Walls 1:25

It’s never like never like it was… is it? So Goodness gracious. Remind me. How did we meet? Was it through Doctor Leah?

Rebecca Baron  1:38

No, I think it was through Cannabis Public School.

Honey Smith Walls 1:43

Oh, I guess I thought… I don’t know what I thought. I guess I thought you were part of her tribe too. But she’s this wonderful cannabis Pharm D out in Arizona and I don’t know why I connected you but I’m glad to pop her name into this conversation. Because she’s fabulous. I really love our Cannabis Public School. I think it’s so much fun. It’s been so helpful to me. How is it for you on your level?

Rebecca Baron  2:12

You know, I do enjoy it. I’m kind of a perpetual student and I have been most of my life. So it’s like anything that has the word school in it. It’s like oh, I think we better go!

Honey Smith Walls 2:25

That’s a wonderful attitude!

Rebecca Baron  2:28

I do. I really have been enjoying it. And you know… Mo is part of one of my groups at the American Cannabis Nurses Association. And we work together on one of the committees on a national level to just wear the cultural let’s say Dei Diversity Inclusion and Equity Committee surrounding you know, the cannabis space and pains to nurses and others too… I mean, we are the Nurses Association, but it’s been just kind of getting from where I grew up in my initial kind of exposures to cannabis, and how all of this managed to, you know, my history and my education kind of landed me right now in a very, very interesting spot where I feel very committed… and have been for quite some time to continue to work in this space. You know, I worked at COVID as a nurse…

Honey Smith Walls 3:39

God love you, bless you. Thank you, and it’s coming back in the form COVID or the flu I heard this morning.

Rebecca Baron  3:53

COVID We have had quite a few COVID as well. So it’s not nearly as scary as it was. But it still is exceptionally exhausting, in some ways of have to you know, kind of continue to because we’re so short staffed every hospital except still my it’s horrible.

Honey Smith Walls 4:12

Why why is that?

Rebecca Baron  4:15

Many people have left… So many… really like teachers. Well, we’ve got to go to the nursing instructors and those people have left… then you know, the staff nurses, management nurses, educators, you know,  I’m a clinical side in a hospital…

Honey Smith Walls 4:36

what’s the base problem?

Rebecca Baron  4:39

They’re just working us to the bone.

Honey Smith Walls 4:45

Spread too thin…

Rebecca Baron  4:48

Right… way too thin. And so I’m, I’m okay, you know, in that sense, because where I’ve been working I kind of split my time. During COVID It was between the emergency room where we were. We did kind of like psychiatric patients because I’ve been doing psychiatric medicine. And so it’s never ending it’s just so intense in terms of you know, dealing with no matter what your diagnosis may be, to help COVID on top of it adds all sorts of new challenges.

Honey Smith Walls 5:26

How are they going to cope with all that stress?

Rebecca Baron  5:30

You know, I have a pretty healthy endocannabinoid system.

Honey Smith Walls 5:35

Girl now you’re talking our talk.

Rebecca Baron  5:38

I really do. I have a lot of interests and I’ve got some good dogs and so yeah, I keep I keep myself busy and somehow balance.

Honey Smith Walls 5:54

You practice balance. Yeah,

Rebecca Baron  5:56

I do find balance and a lot of people when they were so socially isolated, that wasn’t necessarily for us because we were all kind of jammed into a little area to work together. So you know, we certainly have developed some really tight relationships over the the past couple years of people who hung together, you know, as a team. But that’s all over America. It’s all over America. It’s not just where I live.

Honey Smith Walls 6:28

So you’re spread too thinly is the base problem. And I’m assuming they’re not paying you enough or there would be more people there.

Rebecca Baron  6:40

They’re paying us quite well actually. The fact of the matter is the most of the people that are leaving are just exhausted, physically exhausted, mentally exhausted, you know, watching way too many people die.

Honey Smith Walls 6:58

After this trauma.

Rebecca Baron

They’re exhausted from the trauma of coping with a lot of that.

Honey Smith Walls 7:04

I see what you’re saying. Yeah.

Rebecca Baron  7:05

And they just can’t even get anybody to even work on our floors. It’s like a joke. We just keep having people leaving and leaving and kind of… there aren’t any replacements and the flip side is you know, you you come to the hospital, you gotta have an arm stitched out or you’re having a heart attack… these  people… these patients are going to be showing up generally just because that’s how life goes but then you add infectious respiratory diseases on top of that… It’s like, okay, we’re here…so anyway,  that’s kind of my day job, but I’m probably going to be leaving within a year myself. I came up with a couple things to kind of maybe, you know, I wrote some of this stuff down, but I’m not going to read it. It’s just more of my own little notes here. To kind of give you a background of how I got into this field, which is a little interesting.

Honey Smith Walls 8:09

We’d love to hear. Yeah,

Rebecca Baron  8:11

So let me just kind of dial it way back. I’m going to be 70 years old in a few months.  working

Honey Smith Walls 8:18

Congratulations you’re about a year and a half ahead of me.

Rebecca Baron  8:22

So cannabis keeps us younger, at least you know, the schooling and the education for me certainly does. Yeah. Being the age that I am, I feel like I’m entitled to have a little more of a perspective in some in some areas. Because of the years that I’ve managed to pack and you know, pass. So, basically going back to when I was little, and this all comes together. I was raised exceptionally healthy.

Okay, meaning, you know, my parents didn’t have a lot of money. My dad was a minor. All of our food was homegrown. Homemade. We weren’t allowed to have sugar, you know, that types of was just really that type of a, of an upbringing, lots of exercise. But you know, cannabis, kind of keep that in mind of this way that I was raised so healthy and then I became really aware of cannabis probably in the late 1960s. And my older sister at that time, she was going to the University of Colorado in Boulder.

And cannabis, obviously in Boulder in the late 60s was everywhere in that in that college town. It was illegal, but it was pretty much just listed as recreational weed. They weren’t making those types of distinctions except for maybe recreational drugs. But it really wasn’t until about the 1970s… When a neighbor who was living out in the country way down the road. She had a son who was a priest. And she was she was sick and I really didn’t know she was sick. I was probably all of you know, 19 or 20… something in that area.

And he came home to take care of her and she had pancreatic cancer and she was kind of entering her terminal stage. But of course you know with a lot of those diagnoses, you don’t know how long things are going to go…. 23456789 months, right?

But anyway, um, her son came back and he was growing cannabis for his mother and he was using that for her for her appetite and pain control. And I was like, what? This isn’t recreational that I had… oh, no, no, no, no. He said the herbal medicine and plant medicine thing is why she can eat better on and her pain is better. And so I watched this shift from the recreational of Boulder, Colorado to kind of the intimacy of the medicinal cannabis and his mother who was dying. And how this was supporting her end of life.

Honey Smith Walls 11:07

There was a pivotal moment for you… when it was very interesting.

Rebecca Baron  11:11

To have this kind of happening… and again, keep in mind I was pretty young at the time myself. Yeah. But I finally decided I always kind of wanted to work in healthcare. So I started and became an RN and all of that.

And health based on my upbringing was very important to me, but it started to really expand a lot more on not just the physical health but the spiritual health. What’s your environment like? What’s your activity like and it really was turning into kind of a holistic approach to leading my own personal life.

And then what I was hoping… I could kind of pass on to patients and family and without people Pooh poohing me like, Oh, she’s a new-age kind of person. Yeah. But, so then, about eight years ago, I went back to school, there was that school word again. And I got a degree in sustainable agriculture.

Honey Smith Walls 12:10

Oh my goodness.

Rebecca Baron  12:13

It was just kind of an emphasis on food systems and food security. Certainly interesting planet why wise, and you know, certainly your own backyard. But here again, I was introduced really a lot into with the 2018 farm bill you know afterwards to hemp.

And hemp in 2018 was removed from the Controlled Substances Act in the Farm Bill. And all of a sudden the potential superpowers of hemp then started into kind of the bio accumulation and the phyto remediation, and now all of a sudden, we’ve got recreational we’ve got medicinal and now we’ve got planetary health with our oils, so I’m like, oh, man, this is you know, this is this is really very interesting. So you know, hemp is a bit of itself, a bio accumulator…

Honey Smith Walls 13:13

Meaning it takes up those heavy metals real fast.

Rebecca Baron  13:15

Yep. And you know, unfortunately it does take the good and the bad sometimes. But the final remediation you know, simply put is just using hemp to help restore our soils.

So again, knowing where your CBD hemp is being grown, if you’re using that… It’s absolutely necessary to be using organically or certainly best practice… Third party lab tested hemp.

Honey Smith Walls 13:45

I think that’s asking too much of our poor patients to have to source their own farm and soil and all of that, but I agree with you. Yeah, I think the whole schmo of cannabis is just going to be so overwhelming to those poor old farts that they’re just going to fail, unless there’s somebody there to hold their hand. Exactly.

There’s so much. There’s so much to under understand, and oh, by the way, it thrills me to hear that you got into the agri part of it. I’ve just been reading about mixing my own substrate for growing mushrooms. That was my chapter this morning of reading, and I’m about to decide that mixing cocoa quar and substrate for mushrooms is a lot easier purchased online than it is to try to do it on your own and get a good product that is not probably contaminated by your own poor practice.

Rebecca Baron  14:54

Mushrooms are tricky.

Honey Smith Walls 14:56

Yes. Yeah. Do you grow mushrooms? I love that you’re kind of a farm girl too.

Rebecca Baron  15:06

I don’t grow mushrooms. I mean, I’ve started them you know, like on wood in poplar trees and things like that… and just kind of let them do their thing over the summer. Nice. You know, I do have someone in my family who lives in a state where it’s legal. He actually grows psilocybin so he’s more in that area. He’s just kind of an amazing little botanist in his own right.

Honey Smith Walls 15:33

How cool is that? I’d love to talk to him. I really got into it.

Rebecca Baron  15:41

He has a lot of interesting things to say, Oh, I bet. But one thing, which was kind of interesting is and I was trying to remember exactly where I read it… And it’s been in the last month that they’ve been growing a lot of hemp around Chernobyl.

Honey Smith Walls 15:59

Yes. For years now. But yeah, we need that. Yeah, it didn’t help those poor idiots that went digging in there a year or so ago though. Did it? No, no, not those Russian  knuckleheads. Well, anyway, I try not to veer off into the political rabbit holes. But you know, there are so many reminders about how naughty certain oligarchs around the world can be… 

We would just love to know how you help patients in your neck of the woods. What are your laws like there? You said, you’re in the Midwest. I grew up in Oklahoma, and Arkansas, and Oklahoma is just wide open right now. They’re having a wild wild west moment of their own going on.

Rebecca Baron  16:49

Okay. So I live in Wisconsin. Wisconsin is a CBD only state. Okay. All right. We are. I also have a license and I have a small little farm in Michigan.

Honey Smith Walls 17:03

Oh my goodness.

Rebecca Baron  17:04

I do have a license… an RN license in Michigan and Michigan is basically wide open… I’ve got two dispensaries. Another one I think is going to be opening up within a mile or two of where I live. Really, Minnesota who has their medical… Illinois is recreational. So here we have Wisconsin who just as you know, people have their theories, because the the populace and the governor are certainly in support of at least opening it up, you know, for medical use.

But I just keep getting shut down in the city where I live in now. They had a referendum you know, obviously not a vote just a referendum on cannabis with his last election in November and overwhelmingly they want cannabis legalized, at least for MediCal.

But it hasn’t happened yet. So yeah, we do have to look at the politics of you know, we’ve got a very solid Republican state in our House in terms of our legislature, our governor.

Honey Smith Walls 18:25

I’m down in Florida, they’re red as red gets.

Rebecca Baron  18:31

Our governor is definitely supportive of medical but the thing Wisconsin has which you’ll hear people talk for it or against it or you know, all you’re making too much of that is Wisconsin has a very significantly active tavern league because they like their alcoholic beverages here. And to think that cannabis could come in, whether it’s medical, or whatever. And take away from some of that business is really threatening.

Honey Smith Walls 19:08

Well there it is… where the corruption is. Oh, yes, somebody’s interfering with the process of allowing cannabis back into our society. There’s always some corruption that’s still taking that progress, but it’s coming in… like a freight train.

Rebecca Baron  19:27

So yes, I mean the train has left the station and it’s arriving. We do have at least I think currently and I haven’t looked for a little while. I mean, like a couple of months. They did have kind of competing bills, to at least look to kind of push for medical access to cannabis. But yeah, that hasn’t gone anywhere quite yet. Although I haven’t been I haven’t paid attention in the past couple of months. I’ve just been kind of doing other things.

Honey Smith Walls 19:57

What’s your assessment of the patient in Michigan? Who wants to find information and help on how to use cannabis medicinally in a state that is only recreational?

Rebecca Baron  20:15

Well, they Yeah, it’s very interesting because… kind of you had mentioned kind of reference to the Wild West and when cannabis was first coming there of course, you know, it proudly wore all of its you know, at least the the coverage of you know, the biases, the misinformation. And obviously, you know, packing dispensaries full of products that would knock you or me on our bucks are a lot of people, you know, who wants that? I mean, at my age, do I want to set myself up for a fall?

Honey Smith Walls 20:51

This is it… this is every old farts nightmare and anxiety. The future that they’re going to fall because they’ve seen their friends fall or their grannies fall, and then you know, there’s a hip replacement and then there’s death.

Rebecca Baron  21:11

Yes, and depending on you know, what your health history looks like. You know, cannabis may not be indicated for you, and as a holistic person. That would be something I could offer and certainly educate on. But what else are you doing? Sometimes I see… It’s just this thing of, oh, let’s just have this tunnel vision. that cannabis is going to make my life better. And it’s like, well, it can be part of that. But what are you doing with your diet? Are you eating well? If you have arthritis, are you really consuming a lot of alcohol. Are you smoking? What’s your diet?

Honey Smith Walls 21:54

But gee whiz, there you go, being an all integrated nurse and everything? Yeah, I can’t I just have my medicine and forget about all that other stuff about taking care of myself, right? No, you can’t this is part of our message, isn’t it? That we must really learn to take care of ourselves wholly, completely.

Rebecca Baron  22:19

And you know, when part of that I think too, especially after the COVID years, which you know, we’re just the whole isolation really affected a lot of older people who are even more homebound. So, getting some of those connections going within your community, from a holistic perspective are really for me, they’re very important. The particular town that I live in in Michigan, they had a really great city manager, she just laughed. So hopefully someone will be coming on, who will you know, kind of carry this out but they have a vision plan for what do we really want our community to look like? We’re identifying that we’ve got a lot of old people, senior people who are isolated and don’t have access to even you know, some of the basic things to keep them healthy, good food or you know, being able to afford good food. And here’s the thing I grew up poor you don’t need a lot of money to eat well.

And I really like to stress I really do like to stress that and I just really just kind of reach out to the neighbors that I have up there and there aren’t really that many that are kind of in that that particular boat right now. But just being aware of what your your community resources are, if you’re, you’re, you know, if you’re short in that area, what else can be done because the smaller communities like the one up there, they’re trying to build kind of almost a holistic community. Yeah, it takes work because you know, we’ve got a lot of other habits out there that are not easily broken.

Honey Smith Walls 24:10

But there are some… this is the thing we have to teach ourselves… a new philosophy of living in a social community where we can all get along with each other and find balance through not only healthy eating Rebecca, but it’s so vitally important, but also through healthy thinking, and disciplining our minds. To think in terms of, let me say it this way, producing more anandamide and serotonin than cortisol. Because when we think happy thoughts and we’re calm and peaceful inside, we are producing very good chemicals that are very healthy and healing also, to the stress damage already done to our bodies through just existing in life for as long as we have.

Rebecca Baron  25:14

You know, when I was up there this summer, up in the Upper Peninsula, I did a little festival… I brought a table in… we camped up there, at one of their little festivals and nice… it was very interesting and actually a couple of the dispensaries were like, Oh, hey, you know, could you know the next year if you come you know, can we you know, will you be be with us, you know, and I’m like, Well, I can’t really but you know, but if you want to talk to me, and let me do some education for some of your your members, I would be happy to do that. But I haven’t heard back from them on that. Where was I going with this? I had somewhere Oh, most of the people. And again, this is all anecdotally but I had a lot of people there are a couple I think a couple 1000 People came through the festival according to the guy with a clicker like a Costco. They wanted they were interested in using it. Mostly, a lot of them were you know, sleep pain. You know, whether you were getting insomnia rest.

Honey Smith Walls 26:23

How would you advise those people, you know, just on a very short term basis, what’s your advice to those people? Because obviously, they’re looking for help on how to use it right, which one to use and what’s the best for sleep or upset tummy or whatever?

Rebecca Baron  26:44

Well, and that’s where it all gets a little… this is where you all kind of have to then dial it back to just the you know, the education part and understanding you know, for their from their perspective. What does a good night’s sleep mean to you? Okay, so you’ve got like someplace like the National Sleep Foundation that says well, healthy adults, you know, 65 and over. Yeah, you should be getting between seven and eight hours of sleep per night. Okay, that’s That sounds reasonable. But if you’re dealing with you know, pain whether it’s, you know, from arthritis or what strains and whatever, you know, anxiety and depression that we kind of touched on a little bit as well. That’s a big sleep disrupter for a lot of people who are going through any kind of PTSD or life changes.

Yeah. You know, especially, you know, comes to mind of I lost my ex husband this just this past summer and it’s hot. And he did use some cannabis during you know, his terminal phase, but his anxiety was so high, dealing with as he was, you know, getting going through, you know, some of the some of the changes. So, sometimes we have a lot of history as individuals of how you know how we deal with with going through some of the stages of life, and some of the ups and downs.

I mean, so we can still have some symptoms that are bothering us, obviously, and that we need to have some help with or we’re looking for some help with that. Obviously, sleep I mean, my goodness, we needed to just reset our serotonin receptors, and just be able to just how how do we all feel after we have a good night’s sleep? Usually really, really good. And I think the medical consequences we see of untreated you know, like sleep disorders, whether you know, it’s insomnia or you know, even like obstructive sleep apnea, which is kind of in its own category a little bit. They just continue to continue to, or contribute to kind of some functional limitations in your everyday life. And slowly you start to lose some independence. And when you start to lose some of that, then you know, it’s like, well, there is you know, some British Medical Journal did a thing that talked about once this kind of situation has kind of started your you have an increased risk of death from a lot of different areas as things start getting chipped away from your life. And sleep is just one of those things.

Honey Smith Walls 29:36

Well, it’s amazing I love finally learning about the endocannabinoid system, being you know, the master of balance in our body. But there’s so much more to learn and so many more people to convince just in the medical society alone, you know, that they need to catch up!

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Seg 2

Rebecca Baron  0:00

And then one of the, one of the psychiatrists I work with, she came up to me I would say maybe, you know, just in the last couple of months, and she has really bad arthritis, and she said, I’m really thinking of trying CBD, but I’m afraid I’m gonna get addicted.

Oh and we’re going okay, let’s sit down and talk about this. Yeah. And understanding you know cannabis receptors and, you know, it just the lack of understanding and even the stigma that you know, so many healthcare professionals it’s like they can bring into the conversation, you know, of a patient’s care, you know, if they’re not, it’s because of cannabis. If they’re sleeping too much, it’s because of cannabis. It just is like they can use cannabis to be kind of a cause of whatever may be wrong with them on either end of the spectrum there.

Honey Smith Walls 1:18

I just realized what I heard. Is one of your dogs nearby. Did he just shake his head or something? Yeah, that’s I just realized what that was. I’ve got five of my own who I’m threatening within an inch of their lives to be still and be quiet.  They seem to know when I put my headphones on that they need to behave themselves.

Rebecca Baron  1:45

Yeah, they’re pretty good. They’re really old. And also my dogs take CBD.

Honey Smith Walls 1:51

Mine too. I’ve got one on it… My little five pound poodle has Cushing’s disease and so all her little organs are enlarged. So I’ve got her on CBDa. I’m an affiliate of Dr. Dustin Sulak’s Healer products. And so I’m shovin some CBD a down her throat morning and night, as well as Paul Stamets seven different kinds of mushrooms in a capsule. So it’s mushroom powder, but of course the mushrooms are, you know, so beneficial and so medicinally wonderful and, and you know, they had terpenes too, lalalala.   There’s all that cannabis-mycelium overlap that I really love. And so I’m giving my poodle that as well as the three or four different other kinds of medications she’s going to have to be on for the rest of her life. Probably the next couple of years unless the cannabis and the mycelium help her… and you know and that’s what I’m hoping… that they will help those enlarged organs.

Rebecca Baron  3:16

I have one old dog and he has like chronic hepatitis. Both of them are really old rescues. I take them when they’re old and then just, you know, plow a lot of money into them.

Honey Smith Walls 3:29

Thank you. I know well, you know, well, my husband plows  a lot of money into his remote control airplanes too so you know, we’ve got our choices, but he loves all of them. We’ve got five dogs, he loves every single one of them and half of them have been rescued. So thank you for that service, though. You know, we’ve just got so many pets on this planet that need love and attention.

Rebecca Baron  3:57

Well, and the other thing too, I know we kind of were just on animals for a little bit. I have a horse. He’s older but you know he’s been really well taken care of since I’ve had him for most of his life. And I have him now also on CBD…

Honey Smith Walls 4:15

Good god, what does that dose look like?

Rebecca Baron  4:18

You know, it’s a pretty concentrated little cookie that he gets. But he was just kind of stiff in his hind quarter. I’m like, Okay, we’re all getting old. I get it. And I’m like, okay, so I did some resourcing and I found a product that I wanted to try an equine product out of Colorado which is you know, it’s it’s actually from organic hemp. produced. Nice. He has a chiropractor. I know people if anybody hears this, you’re like, oh, god, look at this lady. She’s wacky. The horse goes to a chiropractor.

Honey Smith Walls 4:56

And it’s not wacky. That’s wonderful. Oh,

Rebecca Baron  5:01

He has this chiropractics I started him on this in July. And then September, The vet said, What’s the difference? Because this horse is moving like he’s 10 years old…

He was started on CBD. So she’s like, keep it up. So he has an appointment tomorrow. So I’m gonna see if he’s still really Holding, holding with this CBD for him.

Honey Smith Walls 5:26

Okay, we would all really be interested to know the name of that product and who use sourced it. You know?  I’ve always told my audience for pets. Dr. Angie. Krauss also out of Colorado, and Dr. Robert Silver also out of Colorado. Dr. Angie Kraus uses Hemp RX products for her vet veterinarian patients and Dr. Robert silver uses his own product line that he developed because he’s into the science of… I suppose he’s a cannabinoidologist… so I trust both of those veterinarians… but they’re not equine.

Rebecca Baron  6:12

Yeah, this is I’m just looking at that pure I believe it’s called H and J Equine out of Parker.

Honey Smith Walls 6:19

Is that the number two or

Rebecca Baron  6:24

so it’s HJ Equine and it’s out of Parker, Colorado.

Honey Smith Walls 6:35

Okay and say their name one more time and I’ll be sure and put a link in our show notes.

Rebecca Baron  6:40

Ah, HJ equine supplements in organic full spectrum CBD with a proprietary herbal blend of anti inflammatory medicinal herbs and our natural horse supplements.

Honey Smith Walls 6:59

Nice. So does it say in the ad, how much? How much CBD is in a dose? I’m just curious.

Rebecca Baron  7:08

Let me see. I’ve got it on the bag. Trying to see if they’ve actually broke it down here.

Honey Smith Walls 7:15

It can’t be cheap, but how wonderful that they’re available.

Rebecca Baron  7:19

It’s 100 bucks a month. You know, people who are also you know, spending money on glucosamine and the like, exactly. That’s expensive too where you want to go with it. And that’s fine. I’m just trying to see I’ve got the I don’t have the bag here. I’m trying to remember what it is. I don’t remember exactly what it is.

Honey Smith Walls 7:45

Well but your vet said your horse is like 10 years younger.

Rebecca Baron  7:49

Yeah, he’s more than a lot better. So and she actually has performance horses. Now. We can’t in the state of Wisconsin. I don’t know probably any nationally. This doesn’t have any it shouldn’t have any THC in it. But if you have performance horses, you know if you’re going to put your horse to any sort of a drug test, you know, that you would have to disclose that that might be taking that depending on where you live. But my horse is not a performance horse. Big old Norwegian fiord drafty horse.

Honey Smith Walls 8:25

OH! I know that horse. Wow. Oh, wow.

Rebecca Baron  8:30

Yep, that’s, that’s my guy.

Honey Smith Walls 8:33

Wow. Well, you must have some property up there too to have him and enjoy him. My kids have, by the way live up in Michigan in Shelby Township. So you said you’ve got a house or a property up there too?

Rebecca Baron  8:54

A house and it’s, um, it was 31 acres but I just passed off some of the acreage mostly because I’m downsizing some of the things that I have and that you just hit a point where you just don’t want to be at least for me. I’ve got a big house. In town here. It’s got five bedrooms. My kids have all gone. I’ve got this enormous house. Yeah. I don’t need this kind of space anymore. But I have it.

Honey Smith Walls 9:27

Yeah, there you’re saddled with it all. Yeah, so I’m in the dust.

Rebecca Baron  9:33

Yeah. So I have lots of gardens here. And

Honey Smith Walls 9:39

That’s wonderful.

Rebecca Baron  9:41

But I think the biggest thing too now is you know, kind of doing the whole education piece once I retire. Probably some push I think for a little bit of you know, the social justice angle of it. In the state of Wisconsin, and also just some legislative action that I can possibly you know, bring about, it’s really hard sometimes to connect with a lot of of cannabis nurses that are in your state unless they’re belonging to a life organization.

Yeah, that’s usually where you’re going to find them anyway. But trying to kind of move together you know, that’s one thing within the cannabis field, especially from nursing, and you know, for patients as well. Or you know, consumers there’s the laws are so different, you know, if you drive a couple of miles across the border and trying to figure out you know, who can buy what… what’s safe, what can you possibly use based on the legalities that you want to respect as a consumer.

And when you’re looking at trying to do legislation, we’re just all over the map. So we really turn a lot to people who’ve been down this road before, and help us to understand what we can be doing to support the grassroots efforts, no pun intended, to get going in our own in our own communities, and be able to present that to legislators of people who are going to be voting for or against any issue.

I’m trying to get better at speaking and writing, writing kind of statements that I can present to legislators or city council or county commissioner, that’s really important to me. I do it to be able to get that word out,  face to face with someone versus just an email or a letter… to show up and make that case in person and I understand that feeling.

Honey Smith Walls 11:59

I’ve kind of been doing the same thing for transgender kids here in my own neck of the woods and the stupidity of DeSantis and his asshole team of people who have wrecked the state and are devastating education and equality for all and just doing stupid adult shit things to our kids.

So I’ve been going to the school board meetings, the County School Board meetings and the local and just standing up as a grandmother of four. You know, and for their rights, and go into all of these meetings about transgender kids. And I’ve gotten involved heavily involved in the Equality Florida tribe down here. That’s the largest LGBTQ  org and trying to figure out a way to marry my cannabis advocacy with my LGBTQ advocacy lalala because, you know, LGBTQ is obviously very cannabis friendly, but the whole point is, they wouldn’t have to be if they weren’t so frickin assaulted on a daily basis by the asinine legislative session from Red people down here in Florida.

Rebecca Baron  13:24

So it’s really pretty sad it when I look at the nastiness and why, whose benefit is it to ruin someone’s life or to attempt to ruin their life or to keep them down.

Honey Smith Walls 13:44

It’s just a form of… Eckhart Tolle says it’s just a form of insanity. All of that that’s going on and I had to agree with him. You know, I had to turn the news off I had to get inward and find my inner peace and my inner self and, and get introspective and there’s nothing better to get introspective than cannabis.

Rebecca Baron  14:08

That it can is absolutely true. It certainly can, you know, can bring about just another way to look… it’s another way to look at a situation or a problem or to alleviate it. Yeah, even alleviate what’s getting you so down about it at that internal pain.

Honey Smith Walls 14:26


Rebecca Baron  14:29

That does really, that does really, it does.

Honey Smith Walls 14:34

How do you medicate? I have to all day long… I start first thing in the morning with a puff and then I have some concentrate in my coffee and with a bit of either, don’t tell anybody… I’m a dirty vegan… but I use butter in my coffee occasionally. And you know, and then and then I use a hemp rub and stuff… CBD on my knee and in on my hands throughout the day, and then I’ll have another puff around… I don’t know… after lunch or something, stuff like that. That’s how I use and generally I’m smoking the raw plant and then using oil based tinctures of concentrates. How do you use?

Rebecca Baron  15:26

I just use CBDa and CBG.

Honey Smith Walls 15:33

Tell me about that…  I have not used any yet and it’s not easy to find around here. I’m gonna have to go through Dr. Sulak’s product which I’m actually affiliated with.

Rebecca Baron  15:45

No I’ve had his bad product for a couple of weeks. I was in an accident about well, let’s put it this way. I was in a bad accident 15 years ago and then as a result of that accident, I managed to assault the same leg three times since. Oh, no, just because it just wasn’t you know, working like it should be.

But I don’t use any nonsteroidals… I don’t use any anti inflammatories or you know or even just you know, pain relievers like you know, acetaminophen or ibuprofen or any of the anti inflammatories. I don’t want to I don’t want to take those in if I don’t need to. Yeah, so I just use those two isolates… especially the CBDa, it works for me.

I take probably about five to six drops in the morning and I’ll take a couple drops of CBN or CBG before I leave to go to work and then at night before I go to bed I kind of do the CBG maybe an hour before I go to sleep… 45 minutes whatever… and then the CBDa right before I turn the lights out and just let that kind of work all night. I have very good luck with that product. I do take CBD holidays. And it just so happened that probably about them but it was about a month ago… I got a brand new bottle of CBDa and you know that stuff’s not cheap. No, it’s not. And so I opened it up then you know, the dog knocked it on the floor. Oh, on the floor, and I’m like Oh, okay. Well, okay, I can’t use that bottle. It’s all on the floor now. So I thought, okay, you know what? It’s okay. Let’s just, let’s take a drug holiday. Let’s see. Let’s use this time. Give it some time and see if you notice a difference.

Rebecca Baron  18:00

Oh, yes. So finally I had just happened to you know, have an appointment, you know, with my orthopedic surgeon hadn’t had my leg imaged in a long time and I just kind of like to go and make sure you know, the million screws that are in there are still all kind of sticking in where they should be brought. And he said, you know, we can’t really do anything for your leg because it’s so messed up. So he said, but he said, I would just say keep taking your CBDa and for me even to hear a surgeon say that, to me,

Honey Smith Walls 18:36

That’s really great.

Rebecca Baron  18:39

He’s like, you’re doing what’s working for you. And so I do exercise it. I stretch it. I still ride my horse. I swim.

Honey Smith Walls 18:48

Awesome to you, girl.

Rebecca Baron  18:50

So I do I do push myself to do those things. It’s sometimes some days it’s just, it’s kind of like the Nike commercial, you may not want to you may feel a little stiff and it’s like just do it. Just do it get up and get moving. But, so I’m kind of in that little kind of realm, I guess that we talked about a little bit earlier when I was talking about you know, kind of asleep of once you start to lose some functional limitations, and you start you know, kind of pulling back on certain things related to you know, something like an injury that you don’t feel as being treated properly. Your world can get a little smaller. And so I don’t want that to happen anytime soon.

Honey Smith Walls 19:34

Yeah, I’m here to tell you your world could get smaller by just not exercising or moving about during the day.

Rebecca Baron  19:39

Absolutely. Yeah. Sitting is like smoking.

Honey Smith Walls 19:42

Sitting. Oh my god, I’m so glad you said that. What a hideous thing to put in my mind. Now I just got my butt up out of the chair because of that. Sitting is like smoking. Oh, Yak. I’m gonna have to remember that one every day and Oh really? Because I felt like I was getting a bit sore. And then I felt like my sacroiliac was, you know, going all went went well. And then and then my ankles wouldn’t work right. You know, and that’s just from sitting around too much during COVID. So I have been trying to make a concerted effort to get up every hour. You know, and walk around and do something because man, it’s just so easy to stop moving.

Rebecca Baron  20:31

It is and it’s very dangerous. And that’s kind of one of the reasons why I’m actually looking at you know, to quit my job or go you know, part time for just a short period of time before I actually quit. But yeah, it’s like I have noticed in the last year, it’s like, all of a sudden, when you hit a certain age, and I think I’ve hit that age, you’re like, oh, man, I’m not moving as easily as I used to. Yeah, you know, and if I’m gonna get on the floor, you darn better you have a plan as to how you’re going to get back up off of that.

Honey Smith Walls 21:02

This is scary when you realize that you’re down on the floor, and it ain’t so easy to get back up and up, right? Yeah, holy shit. That’s when it really hits you that you’re getting on now. You better start doing something about all those unused muscles.

Rebecca Baron  21:19

And with the the fractures that I had in this leg, you know there I have to be so careful how I position and move.

Honey Smith Walls 21:29

Yeah. Oh gosh,

Rebecca Baron  21:32

I have routines and all of that. But you know what, if this is the worst thing that I have to deal with, I’m cool. I am there are so many people that have a lot worse things to deal with than this.

Honey Smith Walls 21:47

Thank you for reminding us of that to be you know, grateful for the Shape We’re In, because it can always be so much worse.

Rebecca Baron  21:57

Within our age. I don’t know what the average age of your listeners are, even if you have access to that kind of a demographic. But you do. Look at us. I mean, if we’re all here listening, look how many people don’t get to even get to the point where we are.

Honey Smith Walls 22:12

Exactly. And so just in that vein, I want you to know that my demographics are between the ages of 50 and 70. And just slightly more men than women. So yeah, and also I want to go back to and enlighten our audience who may not know what we were talking about a few minutes ago when we were throwing letters around…

We were talking about CBDa… and CBG… as in Cannabigerol and that is the mother of all cannabinoids. So, you know, through her come. all else, all others. That’s why everybody well, that’s why so many people are very excited about CBG because of the potentiality of it.

So I’m curious to find out for myself what it can do for me, and I’m going to be ordering some from Dr. Sulak next go around. I’m already on the subscribership for CBDa and get that monthly. But I gotta tell you… I give more of away to my dogs and my friends than I’m able to get down my own gullet. And like you said, it ain’t cheap. But Sulak’s is cheaper than most because it’s CBDa and therefore it’s a lot more potent. You use a little less and it saves you money in your pocket book. So that’s the whole thing.

Rebecca Baron  23:50

The other one I was going to tell you about which I completely overlooked. And this is kind of my own experiment and I believe when we were at you know if your listeners with our Cannabis Public School, we had talked about THCv this week. Oh, that’s right.

Honey Smith Walls 24:11

I’m so glad you mentioned that. So that’s tetrahydrocannabiverin…otherwise called THCv as in Victor.

Rebecca Baron  24:31

So what I’m doing with that is… now my blood sugar and my hemoglobin A1C are in the normal range. Okay. Okay. They had climbed about maybe not the A1C but you know, the fasting hemoglobin or what it climbed probably like 12 points.

Now, there are different reasons that could you know, that could cause that. Okay. I decided, You know what, I’m gonna go ahead and start taking THCv as my own kind of my own test for my own body that makes a difference. And so I’m going to have probably bloodwork in January, and that’ll be four months of using of using THCv. And I’m going to be interested to see what things look like

Honey Smith Walls 25:28

I am so I hope you’ll keep us posted on that. I gotta tell you Rebecca we’re we’re down here in medical world and we don’t have access to THCv… How do you get to it?

Rebecca Baron  25:42

I get the dominant THCv and I think it’s got… I’m trying to remember the the terpenes that are in it. I get mine from a company called Gossamer. You know, it’s like I’m just a consumer like everybody else. I’m not affiliated with the Gossamer company.

Honey Smith Walls 26:04

Okay, so do they sell the raw plant to you?

Rebecca Baron  26:10

Its a tincture.

Honey Smith Walls 26:12

Oh, it’s a tincture. Okay. Yep, sounds good. An alcohol base or an oil base?

Rebecca Baron  26:17

I believe I think it might be alcohol based.

Honey Smith Walls 26:21

But tincture is usually alcohol based.

Rebecca Baron  26:26

But I started taking it and I will say this I know everybody can have different reactions or you know, sometimes you know, something a little very subtle to have just a little more level. But if I start if like I do a lot of like intermittent fasting, yeah. Moe had mentioned that you know, when she she took some THCV and she said, Boy, I didn’t even feel hungry all day. That’s kind of my reaction as well.

Honey Smith Walls 26:56

Oh interesting.

Rebecca Baron  26:57

I don’t feel hungry. I don’t feel like oh, yeah, you want to go eat something? No, it’s not. It’s not even there. It’s not like you know, it’s not, it’s not like you’re anorexic, by any means. It’s more like, Gee, I’m just not hungry.

Honey Smith Walls 27:13

So I wonder if that’s gonna be the new diet cannabinoid…

Rebecca Baron  27:17

I don’t know but there again, you know, it’s like we talked about earlier Okay, so this is my own little experiment with my body on thc v. Yeah. What else am I doing well, right, making sure you know, like I am intermittently fasting. I am just kind of making sure I get good sleep. I’m doing the whole holistic thing. Yeah. If there’s any impact. I would sometimes and I don’t know maybe some of your listeners or you have even had, you know, a situation where you sit down especially I’ve noticed this when I’ve gotten older and some of my friends have as well. You sit down and let’s say you have something that’s a little more heavy in the carbs. Like, you know, I don’t know, a good piece of like sourdough bread that I made yesterday.

Honey Smith Walls 28:05

Oh, with tons of butter on it. Yeah, but now you’re talking…

Rebecca Baron  28:09

And then you can almost feel like this carb rush like, you know, or sugar sugar can certainly give that to you as well. Yep. I can’t even remember the last time I had anything like that. You know that that type of a rush that feeling like your body is like your insulin is like oh my god. We’re in the factory. You know, we’re there. No, so it’s not a pleasant feeling anyway, but I don’t know if the THCv is responsible for helping to just kind of just just give it the like, I don’t want to see like, how it how it handles the release. If it’s just I don’t know, I guess I don’t know what the word I’m looking for here. It somehow or another modulating. I guess in a sense. What my reaction might be to I can intense ingestion of carbs not that I do that anyway. As one of my friends says she says this is kind of funny. She said you know when you go and eat a bunch of carbs and you said you just are like all messed up. She said it feels like you just had unprotected sex and why did you do that? What were you

Honey Smith Walls 29:28

What were you thinking about! How good it was gonna feel??? Until I got herpes!  Oh gosh.

Honey Smith Walls 0:00

I’m really tickled to understand what it’s like in your world a little bit. And I’m always so grateful to chat about the world of cannabis. And to help our audience. Yeah, to help our audience really understand more, you know, not just my little world here in Florida but what it’s like over there where you are too.

Rebecca Baron  0:21

Well, and you know, just the whole thing of getting older and being able to access some resources that can help you that are reputable.

Honey Smith Walls 0:33

That you trust.

Rebecca Baron  0:35

Right. And and using evidence-based medicine so much of what we have right now was so anecdotal, but you know, we do have some evidence-based findings in research and more and more of that is going to be coming about. I truly believe that… but we have a long way to go to see what exactly what this plant medicine can do to for humanity.

Honey Smith Walls 1:01

Oh, and yet the vision is clear to me. I mean, I could really conjure up a beautiful planetary society that is inclusive of everybody with the help of cannabis and holistic thinking. Yeah, so we got to stop serving the self and serve others. Absolutely, yeah. Yeah. So, gosh, it’s been fun chatting with you. How can our audience find you if you’d like for them to?

Rebecca Baron  1:40

Um, they can send me an email there. I am happy to read any emails. If anyone has any comments or information or wants me to elaborate on a resource or something that I may have mentioned.

Honey Smith Walls 1:57

That would be great… or maybe come into the medical facility and enlighten the staff. I can see you’re doing that very wonderfully, too. So, thank you so much, Rebecca, for this time with you. And I just love that we’re in class together. I learned so much every time we get online at Cannabis Public School. And thanks for hanging out with us today. It’s been just delightful. Oh, good day, everyone. Bye Bye.

Rebecca Baron  5:43


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To find a qualified cannabis expert in your area… visit

It is a national society of cannabis experts and you’ll see that link down in my show notes.

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Subscribe to the Cannaba Verum podcast to learn and understand the effects of cannabis alchemy… that can otherwise be somewhat illusive if you don’t know how it works.

Medical professionals in the industry describe their patient success stories using this live plant therapy… and explain the alternatives as well.

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Roger Adams, U.S. Organic Chemist who isolated the structure of CBD,

Raphael Mechoulam, Israeli Organic Chemist who isolated the structure of THC,

Ethan Russo, Dir R&D International Cannabis and Cannabinoids Institute

Dustin Sulak, DO – my favorite doctor at, teaching the art of Cannabis Healing to the world, and other industry greats like:

Rev. Dr. Kymron DeCesare, Ed Rosenthal, Jack Herer, Michael Backes, and Michael Pollen and so many more… plus I use classical sites like:,, I listen to several daily podcasts to keep up with the latest cannabis news across the nation and throughout the world like: Dr. Codi Peterson et al on The Cannigma Podcast, and  I trust the and I watch the National Cannabis Industry Association (NCIA) at: and many more like: NCIA’s Cannabis Industry VOICE (

Over past episodes of Cannaba Verum, we’ve listened to some amazing scientists and medical professionals talk about their discoveries and patient successes as hundreds of questionable compounds rise to the public grasp. I am especially interested in the pharmacists movement becoming an integral part of this new medicinal choice.

Watch this machine roll into action through conversations with pharmacy doctors all over the nation like Dr. Leah Johnson and Dr. Codi Peterson out West and Dr. Alan Ao up North. There are so many more getting involved now… these are just a few who have come on my show to explain the situation and it’s fascinating.

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If you need help opening that cannabis discussion with your family doctor,  please reach out and grab the Dear Doctor Letter I wrote for this exact purpose. It will explain your decision to try cannabis and ask for their help in monitoring your labs and progress. It will also show them where they can find medical research on the subject of your diagnosis and the effects of cannabis.

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315 E. Nasa Blvd.

Melbourne, FL 32901.    

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Brevard Neuro Center

(321) 733-2711

315 E. Nasa Blvd.

Melbourne, FL 32901.    

All opinions are my own and should not be mistaken as medical advice.

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(2) Concentrates –

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