Hey friends. Thank you for joining me today returning to our conversation with the indefatigable Michael Geci, a New York ER doctor for the past 25 years or so. He’s really a political activist, the author of a wonderful book that gave me a real peek behind a cannabis business stuck in the middle of politics. He tells a story of getting his heart broken in cannabis, and a lot of other really interesting things that turned him into the political activist. He IS: Pot Doc, a Physician’s Search for the Holy Grail of Medical Marijuana. That’s the name and tag of his book, and I’ll leave a link in the show notes for you. So jump on into this weird cannabis place with Dr. Michael Geci and me, Honey Smith Walls, right after the Intro.
Honey Smith Walls 0:00
Welcome to season three of the Cannaba Verum podcast, the cannabis truth podcast. I speak the language of cannabis freely and uncensored while educating my audience on safe use of this live plant therapy. You should know what’s in your cannabis. What’s good and what’s not. It does not come with an FDA stamp of approval yet.
Using cannabis mindfully as medication is a different concept in Western healthcare philosophy, specifically the past 100 years. There’s a lot to learn and reconsider. The information you’ll find here comes straight from the scientists and clinicians doing the work and reporting their findings in real time through various live online outlets. The scientific truth of cannabis is finally getting out and is wide open for all to see at respected medical sites like www.pubmed.gov and JAMA, the Journal of American Medical Association (jamanetwork.com).
I’m right there in the thick of it with all those titans of medicine as a fly on the wall. Because I’m not a doctor. I didn’t go to med school. I did take dozens of private cannabis courses offered by cannabis expert scientists online over the past few years and slowly began to see and understand the bigger picture.
Well, I can talk to people all day long about cannabis… and hopefully inspire them to research the facts as we know them today.
Cannabis is an amazing alternative in health remedies that can reportedly alleviate typical disease problems and troubling side effects caused by synthetic prescriptions. This is Honey Smith Walls, a 21st century cannabis shaman… not a doctor… not a scientist. Raised by nuns and wolves in the verdant cattle pastures of the Oklahoma oil fields. I’m here to amplify the truth of this great big story and language of cannabis in historical, political and scientific terms… so you can make educated decisions about the medicine you choose to ingest.
Honey Smith Walls 0:00
Plug Clubhouse for them, won’t you? Yeah, I want everybody to know about it.
Dr. Michael Geci 1:12
Yes, we have a we have a room called Cannabinoid Science and Human Body.
Honey Smith Walls 1:21
On every Saturday,
Dr. Michael Geci 1:23
Saturday mornings at 10 Eastern. It’s about a two-hour room. And we have our panel. We’ve got four consistent hosts. We’ve got myself. Nick Schrader, who’s an MD PhD student in Holland. We’ve got Dr. Patricia Frye, who is amazing. Yes, she’s probably the most knowledgeable person that I know regarding medicinal cannabis, maybe outside of Ethan Russo.
Honey Smith Walls 2:06
But that’s high praise.
Dr. Michael Geci 2:08
Yes, she’s, she is and it doesn’t necessarily mean anything but you know, I’m not impressed easily and she she blows me away. I mean, she’s got such command of cannabis pharmacology and its uses. I mean, she’s a really fantastic resource. And a terrific woman.
Honey Smith Walls 2:50
What’s her specialty, Dr. Patricia Frye, F R Y E, in case anybody wants to know. Well, she’s amazing.
Dr. Michael Geci 2:58
I think she’s a pediatrician. But she’s done some ER work. She’s done some work in anesthesia. But I think she’s a pediatrician and sort of specializes in cannabis and then autism. So if anybody has any autism questions, they could check her out too. And she’s on faculty at University of Maryland.
And then the other day, the person that we have is Dr. Hemant Bid. Who is an (East) Indian. I think he’s a physician. He was just on LinkedIn. And he, he and three colleagues were just appointed to some VA consulting board for Integrative Medicine and alternative therapies for vets. So, my gosh, that’s wonderful. He’s super knowledgeable too and then you know, a lot of times Cody Peterson your cannabis pharmacist. We have a good really strong group. It’s empirically based questions from everybody. And we have some really interesting discussions and then we bring up a lot of really interesting things.
Honey Smith Walls 4:24
Dr. Michael Geci 4:27
Like some of the things, you know, I learned stuff too. Like we had a physician, it was that topic,,, prenatal or cannabis and pregnancy, right. And, and one of the physicians came up on stage and, and said that at her large unit teaching hospital, if the woman tests positive for cannabis for THC, they forbid her from breastfeeding her newborn! And you know, I thought that was just heinous. Yeah, you know, and it’s like…
Honey Smith Walls 5:11
Archaic, Barbarian, Bullshit.
Dr. Michael Geci 5:15
I mean, I feel very strongly that people don’t appreciate how powerful cannabinoids are, especially THC in development. But at the end of the day, you know, the government doesn’t have a right to say that you can’t breastfeed your child. I mean, she could have taken a tincture or a hit of some THC for her nausea and vomiting. It may have been a couple of weeks ago, and the fact that she just simply tests positive and you forbid that bonding. I mean, I just think that’s criminal.
Dr. Michael Geci 6:17
It really overstepped the bounds of the state in so many ways because one, the state has abdicated its responsibility to the citizenry by not engaging in action and research.
Honey Smith Walls 6:33
Thank you for that dichotomy.
Dr. Michael Geci 6:37
I mean, that’s right. This topic has been, you know, completely censored.
Honey Smith Walls 6:42
Yeah. So what do they know about it in order to make a diagnosis that a mother should be taken away from nursing her newborn when they do know the facts of what happens when newborns and mothers don’t bond properly? This topic gets me incensed.
Dr. Michael Geci 7:02
It’s a trade off but that’s the trade off that should be a personal decision between the family… mother and doctor. Yeah, and it shouldn’t be deadly. Other than the father, the state doesn’t have any business getting involved in that and for the people listening, these are the kinds of topics that come up.
We had another interesting topic that you mentioned that we wanted to touch upon, was the drug interactions with cannabis and when we talked about the drug interactions between CBD and Tylenol. Oh my gosh, the thing so crazy about it is… 10 years ago, if you’d said CBD, people would look at you and say, What? ABCs? DVDs?
Dr. Michael Geci 8:14
And, you know, maybe think if you’re having a stroke, you know…
Honey Smith Walls 8:20
And now they get it at the dollar store.
Dr. Michael Geci 8:24
Yeah so it’s towards socialism. Widespread as practically anything, it’s all over the place. And so, you know, so the idea of somebody taking CBD and Tylenol. I mean, what’s the chances of those two things happening? Well, probably pretty good. Yeah, yeah. And then the study that showed that it impacted delivery because Tylenol, for people who don’t know, is a really safe medication, as long as you don’t take too much of it. And it’s got a relative fair window of therapy that it’s got a reasonable therapeutic window, but above four grams, which is you know, eight-500 milligram Tylenol capsules, which some people say, Oh, eight… I take eight at one time sometimes!
But goodness, above four grams, you exceed the liver’s ability to metabolize it and it becomes a pathotoxin. And you know, there have been a lot of people that have died. A fairly horrible death, because they took too much Tylenol as a deliberate overdose as a suicide attempt. And I remember when I was in high school there was this girl who went to a different school and she took too much. She took Tylenol. She took an overdose of Tylenol to make a statement, right. But she didn’t tell anybody what it was and she ended up dying because they didn’t get to her in time. And once you get to a certain level, you know, I mean there’s no antidotes for it.
But yeah, so this whole idea that CBD and Tylenol can have, you know, used in combination could induce some sort of liver damage was something that I didn’t know. And we had a nice discussion about that.
But the idea that cannabis isn’t a medicine… that cannabis isn’t powerful, that just because it’s a plant you know, I just don’t understand… I’m not really sure… I still wrestle with with where that came from. How did that seep into the public consciousness that plants aren’t powerful? Or don’t make powerful substances. I mean, you know, you think about all the plants that have been used as derivatives for chemotherapy and we think of chemotherapy. Chemotherapy is, you know, really powerful medicine, but I mean, there’s just so many medicines that we have that came from plants, but yet we think that these substances, you know, this idea that just because it comes from nature that it’s natural… that it can’t be toxic, and you know, I don’t know really. I mean, have our school systems so miserably failed our population?
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By Honey Smith Walls
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I know this to be true because I had to see him for my own old lady neuropathy issues. He did not prescribe the usual synthetic stuff. He told me to go get a particular kind of cannabis instead… and use it in a specific way to find relief.
And that is what every doctor in America should have in their little black bag.
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Honey Smith Walls 12:05
Yes. Yes. The answer to that is yes. The answer to that is yes. Our school systems nay, our government, our governments all of them have failed to allow a good system of education for all.
Dr. Michael Geci 12:26
Yeah, you know, these are some of the most basic things. Yeah, to have a populace that can intelligently and thoughtfully and respectfully have discussions, engage in discourse over contravening views is essential. And, now we’re to the point where, well, if you don’t vote for me, you know, by telling me that you agree with me, then you’re my enemy. You must not like me, and yet so I think this is a really weird place to be in, in human history.
Just sort of segue to that part about (Michael) Pollan’s book, How To Change Your Mind where they talked about the idea of dosing Nixon and Brezhnev at the first US Soviet Summit, right? Yeah. Get those guys, you know, dosed out on some on some nice clean acid. Yeah, have them look at the world in a totally different way. Because yeah, that’s one of the things that the rich talk about, you know, the founder of MAPS (Multi Disciplinary Association for Psychedelic Studies MAPS.org) is that psychedelics…. And again, you can probably throw cannabis in there as well, but then psychedelics are humanity’s last best chance of saving from itself.
The key perspective like having festivals or community ceremonies where people… not necessarily pass the pipe, but maybe pass the plate of brownies or whatever and just commune together with this openness. You know, that the plant opens your mind and opens your heart to the energies of other people.
Honey Smith Walls 15:04
You’re describing exactly what I want to do. I want to have some sort of event for women at first, and do just that. I want to bring them in with live music and real food and little bit of you know, yoga, laughing yoga, some belly dancing to move around and then some spiritual help and you know, some connections with each other for just a few hours for a while, to reconnect from where we’ve been in pandemic for years now, if not, in our own bubbles in our own minds. And what you’re telling me is exactly what I want to do. I want to do that event that you’re describing.
Dr. Michael Geci 15:55
Yeah, there’s uh, I’d be remiss if I didn’t add one other…. somebody else that talks a lot and he would be somebody that I think people would be really really like… his name is Charles Eisenstein.
And he he just he just wrote his published a book called: The Coronation, and it’s a bunch of essays from the Covid moment. And but he’s got these podcasts called: A New and Ancient Story podcast. (https://charleseisenstein.org/podcasts/new-ancient-story-podcast/)
And he talks about this idea of separation and connection that we have lost in our culture, and not just the American culture, but in general, this disability this necessity as humans to find connection. And that technology has been a great deception on these things that it didn’t deliver upon. I mean, just think about how technology on some levels have been like, right now the technology is connecting us, right through this… but in so many ways, you know, the cell phone is the great separator. I mean, you know, how many already were or even out somewhere… and everybody’s got their networks and your phone… and no one’s talking? No one’s interacting. No one is connecting. Yeah. And Charles is this absolutely brilliant, insightful, thoughtful. philosopher, economist, thinker. And yeah, and he has really helped shape and solidify some of my views of this place that we’re in right now.
Honey Smith Walls 18:15
I can’t wait. ‘A New And Ancient Story’ is the name of his podcast, and ‘The
Coronation’ is the name of his book. And his name is Charles Eisenstein. How do you spell that?
Dr. Michael Geci 18:31
Eisenstein? E i s e n s t e i n. And yeah I don’t know if you’ve run across the name Aubrey Marcus. Aubrey had been on some podcasts. You know, insofar as there is this idea of crashing down around us… and I do feel that, there’s also a similar rebirthing that’s taking place. It’s just a matter of… has it has it taken too long… have we have we reached the tipping point to where we missed it?
Honey Smith Walls 19:15
Right. Are you stuck in the birth canal?
Dr. Michael Geci 19:19
Yeah, exactly. And whatever you do, keep the forceps off my head.
Honey Smith Walls 19:24
Yeah, please. Yeah. Yeah, I’ll wait for the process to take take its own divine time. But please, God make it happen now.
Dr. Michael Geci 19:39
I think it’s really important that you have these events… you know… first with your little women’s group and then for all of them because I think that’s what people need more than anything right now…. because think what has happened? I mean, I think it’ll take us years to figure out just how
damaged we are. We’ve been through this pandemic in terms of the isolation and separate experience.
Honey Smith Walls 20:19
We really need face to face and touchy touchy and all of that you know? I’ve got my little wolves to give me love and attention, but oh my God, when I’m with my band, I need to feel their bodies against mine. And I’m usually always saying hey, come on, let’s get boobie to boobie and here comes a great big ole hug. You know… gotta have it.
Dr. Michael Geci 20:42
Yeah, well, you know, we’re primates. We’re on it. We’re social creatures that are exquisitely sensitive in requiring of us touch through connection. Yeah. You know, I remember, during one of my darker periods, hearing somebody talk about… I was listening to some podcast and they were talking about, you know, risk factors for disease for serious disease, and they’re like, you know, is it smoking? Is it alcohol abuse? Is it drug abuse? Is it lack of sleep? And, you know, what it turned out to be was isolation, that social isolation is been found to be the greatest risk factor for health problems. And so this idea of connection, this idea of bringing people together is just so essential to healing us.
Honey Smith Walls 22:11
My instincts are right about that. I’m glad. Thank you for validating that because it feels like this, you know, it’s the path calling me… I’m just, you know, I’m just trying to follow the path and the path is calling me down. And so here we go. But I’m so glad that you say that, because that’s what I feel. I feel such a great need to be with other people and you know, yet I’m still cautious. I’m almost 68 in July and, you know, my husband just went out and got his fourth booster. He’s eighty nine. But well, so and healthy and happy and doing just fine. But he’s cautious.
Dr. Michael Geci 22:59
That’s another aspect of this…the separation that’s created… like people get on… and I was guilty of it as anyone else… I’ve looked upon people who are walking outside with a massive influx of contempt or catch myself and say, that’s their decision. They are scared.
Honey Smith Walls 23:35
They’re scared… that’s it. They’re scared.
Dr. Michael Geci 23:38
You know, I think when you boil down the common denominator of all human behavior, it boils down to two things in my opinion…what is it?
Love and fear.
Honey Smith Walls 24:43
Thanks so much for joining us today and come back for next week to continue this conversation with the inimitable Dr. Michael Geci.
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Ethan Russo, Dir R&D International Cannabis and Cannabinoids Institute
Dustin Sulak, DO – my favorite doctor at healer.com, teaching the art of Cannabis Healing to the world, and other industry greats like:
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- Microdosing – https://healer.com/cbd-cannabis-dosage-guide-project-cbd-interview-with-dr-sulak/
- Concentrates – https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/29307505/
- Cannabis Helps Dementia Podcast – Anchor.FM/cannabishelpsdementia
- Society of Cannabis Clinicians – https://www.cannabisclinicians.org/
- Take the Pledge – GreenTakeover.com
- Handbook for Clinicians – Principles and Practice – https://wwnorton.com/books/9780393714180
- The Cannigma Podcast = https://cannigma.com/podcast/behind-the-scenes-on-cannabis-normalization-with-jm-pedini/
- Curious About Cannabis Podcast = https://cacpodcast.com/
Continuing our discussion with Dr. MIchael Geci, we’ll hear his assessment of present day cannabis experts and some of the maddening situations that only serious legislative change can make right. See links below of interesting people Dr.Geci mentions and to my website for vetted cannabis products if you’re in the need.
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