CV 141 Saara Continues

January 3, 2022

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Welcome to the Cannaba Verum podcast, the cannabis truth podcast. I speak the language of cannabis freely and uncensored, while educating my audience on the safe use of this live Plant Therapy. 

You should know what’s in your cannabis. what’s good and what’s not. It does not come with an FDA stamp of approval… yet. Using cannabis mindfully as medication is a different concept than Western healthcare philosophy, specifically of the past 100 years. There’s a lot to learn and reconsider. 

The information you’ll find here comes straight from the scientist and clinicians doing the work and reporting their findings in real time through various online outlets. The scientific truth of cannabis is finally getting out and is wide open for all to see at respected medical sites like  and JAMA, the Journal of American Medical Association… 

And I’m right there in the thick of it with all those titans of medicine… as a fly on the wall… because I’m not a doctor. I didn’t go to med school. I took dozens of private cannabis courses offered by cannabis scientists online over the past few years and slowly began to understand the bigger picture. But I’m not a medical doctor or scientist. Oh I can talk to one about cannabis and hopefully inspire more doctors and patients alike, to research the facts as we know them today, and decide alternative health paths for themselves. 

This is Honey Smith Walls, a 21st century cannabis shaman, not a doctor, not a scientist. Just here to explain this great big story and the language of cannabis in its historical, political and scientific terms. So you can make educated decisions about the medicine you choose to ingest. 

Honey Smith Walls 0:06

Welcome to the Cannaba Verum podcast, the cannabis truth podcast. I speak the language of cannabis freely and uncensored. While educating my audience on the safe use of this live Plant Therapy. You should know what’s in your cannabis. what’s good and what’s not. It does not come with an FDA stamp of approval yet. using cannabis mindfully as medication is a different concept and Western healthcare philosophy, specifically the past 100 years, there’s a lot to learn and reconsider. The information you’ll find here comes straight from the scientists and clinicians doing the work and reporting the findings in real time through various online outlets. The scientific truth of cannabis is finally getting out and just wide open for all to see at respected medical sites like and JAMA, the Journal of American Medical Association and I’m right there in the thick of it with all those titans of medicine as a fly on the wall, because I’m not a doctor. I didn’t go to med school. I took dozens of private cannabis courses offered by cannabis scientists online over the past few years and slowly began to understand the bigger picture. But I’m not a medical doctor or scientist. Why can talk to what about cannabis? Now hopefully inspire more doctors and patients alike to research the facts as we know them today and decide alternative health care paths for themselves. This is honey Smith walls, a 21st century cannabis shaman, not a doctor, not a scientist. Just here to explain the Great Big Story and the language of cannabis in its historical, political and scientific terms. So you can make educated decisions about the medicine you choose to ingest. 

Hello my friends. We’re picking up the conversation with Sara Ullery down in Venice, Florida. And she is… if you’ll remember, a life sciences educator and arts administrator and a bio field practitioner as well as a cannabis expert. She’s got quite a story to tell us all. And it was fascinating the last time if you didn’t get to hear it. Go back and listen to the first episode. I think 140 It is. This is episode 141. So come on. Join us

Saara Ullery 2:39

Well, I was at 20% of the population. And that includes animals as well.  Animals have have this gene and actually is genetic. It’s not a something that you know, happens later in life or as a you know, some some some aspect of dysfunction, right? It’s like we are born genetically predisposed to be highly sensitive people. 

Honey Smith Walls 3:10

Ohhh I’m so glad you said that because I am so highly sensitive and it makes my whole tribe crazy.

Saara Ullery 3:18

Oh, it makes everybody around us crazy because the other 80% are like what the hell are you talking about?

Honey Smith Walls 3:24

Right. We’re talking about a genetic predisposition.

Saara Ullery 3:30

Yes. And so What’s lovely about it is you see the studies now… its come a long way because I’ve really resisted any kind of labeling, right…. I grew up in the health field… which is like, “Oh, you have this and you’re this and you’re that…” it’s like yeah, no, you’re not.

Honey Smith Walls 3:46

Yeah, no…

Saara Ullery 3:47

You know, and so um, I just really resisted it. And then finally I just had to give in and go yeah, that is and I’m not going to keep trying to not be it because everyone else misunderstands.

Honey Smith Walls 4:02

Wow, right…

Saara Ullery 4:04

Right, right, because then I’m not living my true life.

Honey Smith Walls 4:10

The most important thing for every individual to figure out…

Saara Ullery 4:12

Exactly. Here I am trying to do what I’m doing and I’m in the one who’s not doing it. Wow. Right. So that’s I think that all of this training and studying… and because I’m, I’m really a researcher at heart…. And so I just want to keep…. I’m from Kansas City. 

Honey Smith Walls 4:20

Ohhh you Kansas girl. 

Saara Ullery 4:23

Yeah. And so I think I just want to like you know, prove it… So I have all these degrees and certifications and then I also think, you know, someday that you know, I get picked up for doing hands on healing and then I can go “Hey, I have a master’s degree and I have I have this certificate that says I can do this… I’m legal. You cannot throw me in jail or burn me at the stake!”

Honey Smith Walls 5:03

Oh God, honey. I’m so glad they stopped doing that a few years back!

Saara Ullery 5:08

Right. I don’t know…..

Honey Smith Walls 5:10

I hear ya. White men’s hands up on my uterus… I can feel them squeezing it. It just makes me insane. I’m nearly 68 years old and I still have to protect my uterus and everybody else’s.

Saara Ullery 5:27

Right. Absolutely. So yeah, you know, I think that, you know, we live in crazy times and we also live in just extraordinarily exciting times. But um, I just feel like I… as a practitioner, and as a woman, similarly your age. I’m 66 I just feel like I’ve, I have this opportunity to pass the baton. You know that I see it that it… Actually there was… I saw something at one of the major hospitals in Pennsylvania, recruiting for a holistic health practitioner that can work in the system with Reiki and yoga and meditation and bring that to that environment. Like there you have it.

Honey Smith Walls 6:17

Will you explain to our audience what the definition of a practitioner means in the medical field and in the state of Florida where we are, you’re down in Venice, right?

Saara Ullery 6:32

I am yeah. Okay.

Honey Smith Walls 6:35

And I’m up in Melbourne.  So explain that to us because there are so many new degrees of medical professionals we’re trying to understand now, especially with cannabis experts coming in who are not the same as a cannabis doctor.

Saara Ullery 6:54

Right. And you have a lot of different kinds of cannabis doctors. 

Honey Smith Walls 6:59

Oh yeah you do. So there’s all that… so right… Tell our audience about your knowledge and how we should think of you too.

Saara Ullery 7:13

Okay, um, I think that probably what I identify myself as in this platform that you’re referring to, you know, as the health care…Yeah… is Integrative Health Science Educator and Biofield Practitioner.

Honey Smith Walls 7:34

Wow. That’s an amazing pedigree you got there going on girl. It is… you’ve been doing some study.

Saara Ullery 7:43

I’ve really been at it. But you know, I’ve had some really great inspiration on the way. And so that’s where, you know, being that research or that scientist person… I’m always looking at, okay, who’s out there doing it? How are we getting it done? And I can tell you and this will really surprise a lot of people because the movement that’s happening in the US that you’re starting to see… all of these, you know, franchise… you almost never see, you know, of health educators out there, you know, I’m in.

And then you know, whatever. So, I’m going to tell you that I have a mentor, and her name is Tracy Goddette. And I was in Utah, working with the University of Utah in their technology and commercialization program, bringing forth some technology that blocks pain, with a group of scientists and so forth. 

And Tracy had been there to speak to the medical profession. And if you saw her I call it a Tracy Goddette kind of moment. She got up there…. she’s a very small woman you know, and she basically tells everyone in the office and everyone at the university in the medical field who was required to be there because she was there presenting on behalf of the VA. From the VA…  So this is where people just don’t know what’s happening. It’s really remarkable. So Tracy Goddette is a female doctor, which going back to the beginning of our conversation, and she went to Andrew Wiles School of Medicine, holistic program, right.

Honey Smith Walls 9:28

Love him… he’s an amazing guy. Yeah.

Saara Ullery 9:31

And from there, she went to Duke and created the holistic program there. Oh, my goodness. And then the VA hired her out of Duke to create this program across the nation. Right. And so she’s been at the VA for a long time. Really up… I don’t even know how she’s done it. I’ve watched her… she’s hired a couple of people out of Duke to surround her and help her. But recently as in the last year and a half, she has left the VA and is has been hired to create the whole health institute…. With Walmart… and where Walmart’s headquarters are in Bentonville, AR.

Honey Smith Walls 10:23

Yeah I grew up about five miles away from there in a little teeny town called Decatur…

Saara Ullery 10:27

Did you? The synchronicities… so get this… last Wednesday I participated on the first pilot study protocol of the Whole Health Foundation’s from the Whole Health. It’s that Whole Health Foundation or clinical series offered to clinicians, which this first one is offered to anyone, but it’s primarily for licensed practitioners. 

Yeah. So this is where we get into the definition. So there I was. I was the only holistic practitioner on the Zoom and in the class right now everyone else has their nurse or they have some sort of license, right. So for me, I knew I would not seek to have a license in anything in the health field, right? Or ever. Right, as a holistic practitioner, you know, going into the reductionist field of medicine was certainly not my path,

Honey Smith Walls 11:24

A different philosophy altogether…

Saara Ullery 11:26

Very different.

Honey Smith Walls 11:29

I get it now. Right,

Saara Ullery 11:31

Right. So you know, as much as I want to be able to work in the field, and to be able to be acknowledged, you know, that kind of doctor is not the kind of doctor I wanted to be, but we need that kind of doctor right. Right. I mean, and we especially need it in the cannabis community. So I just, you know, kept pushing the envelope, right. I just kept putting myself in the environment and making them acknowledge me basically. And, and the way that I was able to do that was through the Theory U program, which was a first time with them… was on their first protocol, which set me on a course to be able to keep putting myself in front of them. And then getting my Master’s in Health Promotion from Maryland University of Integrative Health. And then now finishing up the last piece of it, thank God!

Saara Ullery 12:29

I hope to pass this Certified Health Education Specialist exam. I’ve already failed it twice but I will pass it by April!

Honey Smith Walls 12:41

So that just must mean it’s a really, really tough course.

Saara Ullery 12:44

It’s a really hard test… three hours. I mean, it’s really hard. 

Hey my friends. I want to give you a tip about somebody I know who will really give you the help you need. Dr. Anthony Mazo. Majorcan is an MD, highly rated neurology specialist and psychiatrist in Melbourne, Florida with more experience in headache, epilepsy and HIV issues than other specialists around here. Dr. Mazo was the first clinician to study the cannabis plant and become a medical marijuana physician in Melbourne. When it was finally legalized in Florida in 2016. His understanding of the mechanism and effects of this live plant therapy will set you on the path to relief in just no time. 

Dr. Mazo is not quick to prescribe traditional synthetic chemicals when he knows that gentle cannabis will likely give the necessary relief. I know this to be true because I had to see him for my own neuropathic issues. He did not prescribe synthetics. He told me to get a particular kind of cannabis instead and use it in a specific way to find relief. And that is what every doctor in America should have in their little black bags. 

Dr. Mazo is not a typical cannabis naive clinician in this wild wild west of you know, unregulated cannabis and all of that right now in this particular moment in cannabis history. 

You see, those doctors will just see you for about five minutes and grant you a Florida cannabis card. But he’s not like that. He actually studied the plant and understands it. And his practice has been here for maybe 20 years or something like that in neurology. If you’re looking for a cannabis expert to help with your real issues, who understands you emotionally as well as physically… he’s a brain guy to remember a psychiatrist… then call Dr. Mazo and make an appointment today. 

He has no I’ve made this little commercial for him. So be sure and tell him where you heard about him. Just tell him Honey sentcha… he’ll get a real kick out of it. 

Dr. Mazo Majorcan specializes in cannabis therapy, neurology and sleep medicine. He’s rated five out of five on the Care Dash, a patient’s review site of clinicians, and he accepts telehealth appointments. As long as it’s still legal, not sure about the rolling legislation right now but he does if he can legally and is affiliated with the hospital First Holmes Regional Medical Center here in Melbourne. 

His clinic details are the Brevard Neuro Center. Yeah, I’m sure you’ve heard about it already. It’s been here forever. Dr. Anthony Mazo, an MD. The phone number is… and I’ll have all this in the show notes 3217332711 He’s off on NASA Boulevard. You know that real nice street down there in the main part of Melbourne 315 East NASA Boulevard, great staff he’s got too… You’re really going to enjoy your experience with Dr. Mazo because he’s gonna help you feel better.

Saara Ullery 14:01

So but the thing of it is, is that having that certification, going back to Tracy Goddette and all the work she’s done in her whole health program that she’s bringing forth through Walmart, and they’re building a whole new medical campus there in Arkansas, to facilitate this new way of being in the medical field. Oh, I lost my thought, Oh, the CHAS… she is the one that when your question is… how do you discern, right? So what the American Medical Association did, which you know, just you know, probably what, five years ago… they finally changed their website and and and announced that there is an EndoCannabinoid system….. right and then they offered actually a couple of free, you know, video presentations. 

I’m don’t know if they’re still up there or not, but they were super inspiring and helpful for me, you know, that okay, there’s progress. And so then what’s happened is that the American Medical Association is issuing CPT codes to health educators that have graduated either from the CHAZ program or from the National Federation of Health Coaches. Okay, so what that means is, those of us who have you know, really sought to be that, you know, that credential, you might say, you know, acknowledge that we now as non-licensed practitioners can be referred into the medical system so doctors can refer patients to us and not only can they refer a patient to us, they will get supported through the codes, right, to pay them and pay the health educator, so that we can start having conversations about what are your true options when you’re addressing this health issue…

Honey Smith Walls 15:00

Right. Oh, okay. Oh, so the machine is is is being built? Yeah, yes. Isn’t that glorious thought.

Saara Ullery 15:11

It’s so awesome.

Honey Smith Walls 15:14

It really is. I’m I’m thrilled to hear what you’re doing. And it makes me recall what the pharmacists are doing out well all across the United States. But out in California, they’ve got a new California chapter starting up of the pharmacists cannabis somethin coalition and they’re all real serious about helping legislators understand the basics and the fundamentals of cannabis. So they can start making logical, you know, legislative decisions for the populace. Instead of you know, knee jerk reactions or you know, stuff based on propaganda. So real happy about that too.

Saara Ullery 16:09

Yeah. And to add to that, though, is that you know, being in the medical field, you know, dipping my toe in where I can, you know, what we always hear about anything alternative is that it’s anecdotal. Yeah, that’s right. Right. So and then what we do know about a true paradigm shift in our health, is that it has to be consumer driven.

Honey Smith Walls 16:41

Okay, I buy that. Yep.

Saara Ullery 16:43

Right…we have to decide is what we want for ourselves.

Honey Smith Walls 16:48

Makes sense? Except Is that true of the opioid problem? And how it came about?

Saara Ullery 16:52

No, no, but the difference with that is, is that you don’t decide with an opiate you get prescribed? Yeah, that’s true. Right? Yep. Yep. Right. So then so so when we go back to how important it is, that we have, you know, self efficacy, yeah. In our medicine, that is truly the data is collected through the stories but in a way that you have evidence informed documentation of a patient’s experience.

Honey Smith Walls 17:32

It all goes it all goes back to the data, doesn’t it? You got to keep the data.

Saara Ullery 17:35

It goes back to the data and nobody wants to do data, because everybody still wants to just you know, be be the, you know, what, that whole western frontier is gonna be that independent…. go out there… And, you know, and it’s like, without advocacy, really true advocacy, this goes across the board and all systems. We fail. We’ll just keep doing it over and over and over again. Right. Right. repeating history just gonna keep repeating because you no one’s really laid the solid foundation… 

Honey Smith Walls 18:06

…of logic and reason and why… and sourcing and everything. Yeah, yeah, I see what you’re saying. I’m just so so so impressed with the website and the whole Theory U and what’s happening. Oh, just what a magnificent I mean, I’ve been in my own bubble, I admit for two and a half years is a pandemic but Wowser Oh, yeah. I can’t wait for everybody to experience this website. And this this idea. Yeah, p r e s e n c i n It’s, it’s it’s a mind blower. It really is. And it starts it starts you on that journey of introspection and helping yourself out of whatever, you know, you need help with.

Saara Ullery 19:05

Absolutely. And it’s just, it is one of those other foundational transformational that’s why they call it you know, transformation. In Theory U.

Honey Smith Walls 19:16

Right, working for societal transformation in our relationships.

Saara Ullery 19:22

And our relationships to each other and how we communicate with each other.

Honey Smith Walls 19:28

So here are the six areas… in climate change, food systems, in-equality and exclusion, in finance, in health care, and in education. And I say to every single one of those six issues, cannabis directly affects every single one of those issues.

Saara Ullery 19:49

Absolutely…cannabis is at the at the Center for-front. It’s amazing and such an opportunity to take the stage and so be it. Yeah, right. Yeah. And there are ways to do that… they have the through Theory U, if you dig deeper and go through…. there’s people all over the world that are you know, creating new programs within Theory U to change their their environment, and

Honey Smith Walls 20:18

Saara, I had no idea… I’m so excited. This just makes me tingle inside it’s really really cool. It really is…

Saara Ullery 20:27

Can I tell you what I did with it? I’ll be really quick… Yeah. 

Honey Smith Walls 20:32

You don’t have to be quick, there’s no time limit.

Saara Ullery 20:36

I was in Salt Lake City doing what I… you know, was sharing about… you know, working with all these Doc’s in science in such a new technology and all that. And I was at a new technology conference, international one downtown Salt Lake, and I really wanted to get this Master’s and so during the lunch break, I ran over to the courthouse so I could go get some documents shipped off for my application for my master’s program. And I came out of the courthouse and I was, you know, in a hurry, and they have these steps out from the courthouse that kind of fan out. They’ve since posted these great big cement posts to make you stop and think that they’re not really… you’re not really going forward. You’ve got to kind of go sideways when you go down the steps, but you know me, I’m flying and I’m like, gotta get back to the conference. So I come out of there and I fall and I have a double compound fracture. Right? Nooooo you don’t. I did. Near Death Experience, everything that everything that you know, God has mysteries and how we serve…

Honey Smith Walls 21:50

I should say… tell us all…what happened?

Saara Ullery 21:53

So that set me on a course because the technology that we were we were bringing forth you know, through the technology commercialization office at the U was to block pain.

Honey Smith Walls 22:06

Oh my gosh,

Saara Ullery 22:07

Right. So I’m allergic to opioids…. Oh, my gosh!  Right… the 20% highly sensitive people. We don’t do well on any kind of medications. I grew up on Bach flower remedies and homeopathics  right. And so, so I was able to use that technology and tell my story about how it blocked the pain for me and and my experience of healing through this technology, but I had to leave Utah for a moment and go recover with my family. And while I’m in recovery, I get this, you know, email about Theory U, it’s first call gathering. And I’m like, Well, that just sounds amazing. So of course sign right up, right? Yeah. And I’m in… there were 17,000 of us. The first one. Yeah. Yeah, this was several years ago, 17,000 of us. And it took me from, you know, a broken near death experience of like, What the hell am I going to do now? Yeah, to… I’m going back to Utah and kickin some ass.

Honey Smith Walls 23:28

That is an amazing story. From from the depths of pain to…. I’m charging on with the courage of a tiger!

Saara Ullery 23:41

Yeah, I get it. I get it. I do Yeah. So I went back to Utah… gathered up a group of doctors, nurses, healers, practitioners. And we spent a year together in Theory U. In the practices, and the whole thing, gathering once a week, all coming together. There’s a book in that for sure. About just about how the ego… you know, determines our our way of being in the light… in our lives, right?

Saara Ullery 3:26

That’s when I when I first moved to Florida… Of course I jumped right in who’s doing what where? And they had just hired the first person at the governor’s office to head the cannabis….

Honey Smith Walls 3:41

Oh, I’ll say her name in a second. Yeah, yes. Nikki Fried.

Saara Ullery 3:44

Yes. Right. And everyone had all kinds of issues because she comes from the agricultural background, but that was exactly what we needed.

Honey Smith Walls 3:51

Exactly. And she’s got this whole story about cannabis saving her mother.

Saara Ullery 3:54

Right. Right. So I think that if it you know, a conference similar to what was at the University of Colorado. I know that the Gulf Coast, Florida Gulf Coast College…they have a certification cannabis certification program. And so I don’t know what’s happening in Gainesville, right, but like where in the university levels are health being addressed in the cannabis?

Honey Smith Walls 4:27

Right? It wasn’t very long ago. I think Dr. Michael Geci said that there are no D-8  schools yet that that are, you know, doing cannabis, but they can’t because of the Schedule One issue. And here’s my query. You think old Grandpa Biden is waiting until the second term when you know… the vote is gonna come around to say well, you know, I’ll de-schedule cannabis if you vote for me. I just don’t understand what the holdup is.

Saara Ullery 5:00

No, I’m more optimistic than that. I really am. I think that the pressure has to happen more about shifting our medical field, because if we don’t really address the current medical field, it’s going to be… I think, even more challenging for the cannabis medical field to have the respect that it deserves. And if we don’t really start addressing shifting from a reductionist way of being in our medicine, to a holistic platform….

Honey Smith Walls 5:38

I see what you’re saying… 

Saara Ullery 5:42

I’m saying the whole philosophy. Yeah, exactly. It has to be a paradigm shift. We don’t want parody.

Honey Smith Walls 5:47

Right, right. Right. Wow. Wow. You have to help me contain it. So much. So busy.

Saara Ullery 6:00

I know it’s funny. People go, what do you do Saara? And I’m like, Oh, you don’t want to know.

Honey Smith Walls 6:07

I think it’s glorious. I think it’s… I’m fascinated by it. And I’ve been pondering the big question of how we change society’s attitude. And after the the Oxford thing, you know, another 15 year old with a gun… hallelujah…his parents bought him. Thank you very much. Right. I gotta change that attitude, the absurdity. Yeah. And you know, how do we do that? 

Saara Ullery 6:36

It’s a way to help people find home.

Honey Smith Walls 6:38

There it is.

Saara Ullery 6:39

If we can’t find home, then we’re just acting out as a reflection of everything in our environment.

Honey Smith Walls 6:51

And the….yes…. and those poor poor people with the guns who feel like they’ve got nothing they can do nothing other than go kill somebody.

Saara Ullery 7:02

Well, because they Yeah, there’s there’s all kinds of…they don’t know where home is. They don’t have a home. They don’t have home. Right? Most of us don’t.

Honey Smith Walls 7:10

And that’s Oh my god. That’s a horrible thought.

Saara Ullery 7:13

I know. Right? So you know, I think we have to create, you know, sacred space for finding home. That’s That’s my thing. 

And I would love to share something with you right now if you’re open… please… of course. When you were talking about the panic attacks and talking about just the consciousness around the fear, because really, that’s so much of what’s happening on our planet right now. Yeah, so do you know where your thymus is? I do. So have you ever tapped your thymus? I have not. So if you take your fingers gently and you just tap your thymus, okay, just gently tap your thymus. And then… until you get a breath….

Honey Smith Walls 8:03

Oh, I was doing it like… thump thump… thump thump…thump thump… like you said… Right

Saara Ullery 8:13

Jut breathing and tapping, tap, tap…

Honey Smith Walls 8:17

Tap, tap, tap, tap…

Saara Ullery 8:18

Oh I felt that you just dropped in. You just dropped in.

Honey Smith Walls 8:25

Alright, right. Wow. Yes, it is. It is a glorious feeling of content and satisfaction… of security. 

Saara Ullery 8:34

Yeah it takes you out of the brain…. out of the thought… because the way your body connects you to your heart… lets you breathe. Then you get oxygen. And the fear drops away. So that’s the practice.

Honey Smith Walls 8:49

Remember… must remember that. It’s hard to get into a new habit. But I am so glad you taught me that right now because I will use that. Yeah, I will use that.

Saara Ullery 9:00

When you get a drink of water… do a little tap. Okay, so you start recognizing it because that’s what we have to remember. So my pitch for creating these home places is…f come together… remember who we are… and then be that, together. That’s presencing. That’s dropping out of the ego and into the heart and empathizing.

Honey Smith Walls 9:27

I’m just breathing in the moment if you don’t mind. I’m so grateful that you spent a little time with me and thank you so much. I just… I’m really proud for our community that you’re here with us and that you can help us. I love this whole idea and I’m going to be looking to you more for my spiritual, emotional human needs and connections and philosophies… really, really this is what I’ve been looking for… I didn’t realize you were right here. I’ve been looking for this… I’m flabbergasted.

Saara Ullery 10:17

Right. We look for each other. That’s the way it goes.

Honey Smith Walls 10:21

Listen, I am truly in the mode of amplifying the medical professionals who are helping us understand and so I hope that you will feel comfortable anytime to call me and jump on the show and talk about anything. Even this again, or anything new or ideas that come to your heart about helping because our audience loves taking a peek behind the curtain as I said earlier and understanding more about themselves. That’s where we’re at. Yeah, you resonate with all of us.

Saara Ullery 11:01

That’s where it’s at… patient centered… that’s where we got to go… all across the board. Everyone loved that.

Honey Smith Walls 11:09

Saara. Thank you, honey. I’ll talk to you again real soon. All right? Blessings on you.

Bye, bye.  


You’ve been listening to another Cannaba Verum podcast with 21st century cannabis shaman, Honey Smith Walls, about the importance of using safe hemp and marijuana products. The process of taking your records with your symptoms and diagnosis to a cannabis specialist can lead you to the correct cannabinoid therapy for your best results. 

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Ethan Russo, Dir R&D International Cannabis and Cannabinoids Institute 

Dustin Sulak, DO – my favorite doctor at, teaching the art of Cannabis Healing to the world, and other industry greats like: 

Rev. Dr. Kymron DeCesare, Ed Rosenthal, Jack Herer, Michael Backes, and Michael Pollen and so many more… plus I use classical sites like:,, I listen to several daily podcasts to keep up with the latest cannabis news across the nation and throughout the world like:  The Great Shea Gunther at and  I trust the and I watch the National Cannabis Industry Association (NCIA) at: and many more.  

You’ll find Citations available on my podcast blog at 

PS: Helping society get past the fear of using cannabis will be a lifelong journey for me. This industry is just opening up and both patients and doctors are completely cannabis naive and need help understanding where to turn for trustworthy information. If you need help opening that cannabis discussion with your family doctor,  please reach out and grab the Dear Doctor Letter I wrote for this exact purpose. It will explain your decision to try cannabis and ask for their help in monitoring your labs and progress. It will also show them where they can find medical research on the subject of your diagnosis and the effects of cannabis. You’ll find that letter at  

  1. Microdosing –
  2. Concentrates – 
  3. Cannabis Helps Dementia Podcast – Anchor.FM/cannabishelpsdementia
  4. Society of Cannabis Clinicians –
  5. Take the Pledge –
  6. Handbook for Clinicians – Principles and Practice –

All opinions are my own and should not be mistaken as medical advice. 

Brevard Neuro Center

Anthony Mazo, M.D.

(321) 733-2711

315 E. Nasa Blvd. 

Melbourne, FL 32901.      

Microdosing –

Concentrates – 

Cannabis Helps Dementia Podcast – Anchor.FM/cannabishelpsdementia

Society of Cannabis Clinicians –

Take the Pledge – 

NCIA’s Cannabis Industry VOICE (

Handbook for Clinicians – Principles and Practice –

All opinions are my own and should not be mistaken as medical advice. 

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