CV 140 Saara Ullery

December 30, 2021

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Welcome to the Cannaba Verum Podcast, the cannabis truth podcast.

I speak the language of cannabis freely and uncensored while educating my audience on safe use of this live plant therapy. 

You should know  what’s in your cannabis… what’s good and what’s not. It does not come with an FDA stamp of approval… yet. 

Using cannabis mindfully as medication is a different concept in Western healthcare philosophy… specifically of the past 100 years. There’s a lot to learn and re-consider.  

The information you’ll find here comes straight from the scientists and clinicians doing the work and reporting their findings in real time through various live online outlets. The scientific truth of cannabis is finally getting out and is wide open for all to see at respected medical sites like and JAMA! And I’m right there in the thick of it with those titans of medicine. As a fly on the wall! 

Because… I’m not a doctor. I didn’t go to med school.  I did take dozens of private cannabis courses offered by cannabis scientists online over the years and slowly began to understand the bigger picture. I can talk to medical professionals about cannabis and hopefully inspire them and patients alike to research the facts as we know them today. 

Cannabis is an amazing alternative in health remedies that can reportedly alleviate typical disease problems and troubling side effects caused by synthetic prescriptions. 

This is Honey Smith Walls… a 21st century cannabis shaman… not a doctor… not a scientist… raised by nuns and wolves in the verdant cattle pastures of the Oklahoma oil fields. 

I’m here to amplify the truth of this great big story and language of cannabis in historical, political and scientific terms… so you can make educated decisions about the medicine you choose to ingest.

Honey Smith Walls 0:00

Hello, my friends. I am so excited that you came today to listen to Sarah Ullery. She’s an entrepreneur and arts administrator, a life sciences educator, a bio field practitioner, sacred activist for global compassionate coherence and committed to being a leader co-creating shared values and promoting awareness of our inner capacity for wholeness. 

The Presensing Institute in 2017 brought together 17,000 change-makers from around the world to participate in a virtual program called Theory U…as in Theory University. The experience inspired experiential leadership and transformational gatherings in health and well being practices like the “Symphony of Healing”. 

Research and healing practices emerged within the alternative and complementary health sciences community from that.  The journey continues with Gaia. Tune in and co-create a paradigm shift in health and healing on our beautiful planet Earth. 

This is all from Saara Ullery’s LinkedIn profile. I encourage you to go there and find out more about her. But in the meantime, I’m so glad you’re here to listen to her. And now… Saara Ullery

Honey Smith Walls 1:29

Oh, it sounds like I’ve got Saara Ullery.

Saara Ullery 1:31

Hello, honey. How are you?

Honey Smith Walls 1:35

Fine, but I think we’ve got a weird connection. Keep talking to me. Let me hear your voice. No, no, no, we sound great. Do I sound okay? I’m a little too loud?

Saara Ullery 1:48

No, you sound perfect. But hold on just a minute. Can you mute me for a second?

Saara Ullery 1:57

I moved to a different place. I didn’t really… I thought we were just getting together first.

Honey Smith Walls 2:04

Well, we are but you know, why not record it because it’s always the first time that’s got the juicy stuff in it. We never have to remember for the second time. So there you go. Isn’t that backward thinking?

Saara Ullery 2:19 

Ahhhh I’ve seen it over and over again… It’s so true.

Honey Smith Walls 2:22

Anyway, I’m so delighted to speak with you. And I’m wondering about your name already because of the spelling… Ullery? Is that correct? Uh huh. It’s Ullery. Kind of a soft sound. Ullery. Saara Ullery… is it Norwegian?

Saara Ullery 2:42

It is! Scandinavian. It’s from my grandmother… my grandmother gave me that name.

Honey Smith Walls 2:55

It’s absolutely lovely and the spelling is S A A R A which was the first thing that made me wonder.

Saara Ullery 3:03

Right. So I mean for that to happen so much. But you know, that’s kind of what happens when you are born into a generation of…

Honey Smith Walls 3:14

…great names and healers. Oh, tell me about that.

Saara Ullery 3:19

Oh, you know, um, we just have my sisters, my mother, my grandmother’s are all just, you know, if you’ve followed it… all the highly sensitive person science… 

Honey Smith Walls 3:32

I have not and I can’t wait to talk to you about it because I’ve just seen your website… it just blew my mind but go ahead…

Saara Ullery 3:42

It’s helpful to understand your ego…

Honey Smith Walls 3:49

Oh, God, I’m so glad you said that out loud. Because I was just saying the other day geez, I need to do something about my ego. But what you’re saying is well, you know, but it does determine everything in your life.

Saara Ullery 3:58

It does. It does. So how we become aware of the egos presence, and how we become aware of our judgments. Right and be in and move together as a group in the awareness of the judgments to be able to drop all judgments and come into a co-sensing, co sensing, co-creative atmosphere.

Honey Smith Walls 4:22

Like birds in a murmur.

Saara Ullery 4:26

Yes. I love that. Yes, yes. So we as a group, then we’re presented with what do we do with this year because that’s part of the project is that you then you do something in your community with what you’ve, you know, you’ve been practicing and so forth. And so, one of my dear friends that works at the university and we were just partners in much of this came to the group and said that the the Utah Public Health Association wanted to add an alternative medicine component to that year’s conference.

Honey Smith Walls 5:10

Oh my goodness.

Saara Ullery 5:13

And if we would be interested,

Honey Smith Walls 5:17

are you jumpin up and down? Oh,

Saara Ullery 5:19

Oh I just lit up like a light bulb! Right, right. Yeah. No, then. But here’s the kicker. So this is so funny. So she says to me, but they said “we don’t want any of those crystal people.”

Honey Smith Walls 5:39

Oh, yeah, right. Yeah, no, those are “others”. Right, right.

Saara Ullery 5:48

So I have to tell you on the table, you know, to create therapeutic space in a hotel at a major health promotion conference…. Is is an interesting thing in itself. But in what was our breakout room from our introduction room… so in our breakout room, you know, where we had tables where everyone came together initially and so forth…  I went and bought a big bag of crystals, you know, rock crystals, and they were the centerpiece all up through the tables. Hahahahahahahhahaha 

Honey Smith Walls 6:14

Hahahahahahaha I love your attitude girl! 

Saara Ullery 6:21

So we really took full advantage of this Honey, I used my my master’s program, and the doctor who was part of our group that we interviewed and he became part of our group to do all this with an MD at the university. We decided to actually collect data at this at this event. And we did bring in Ann Marie Chisholm from Andrew Wiles School of Medicine.

Honey Smith Walls 7:06

Oh my goodness.

Saara Ullery 7:08

And a shaman and it was… but what we did is… we set up our practitioners room because usually whenever you ask about the practitioners, usually especially biofield practitioners, you’re given an hour to just explain who you are and what you do. Right?

Honey Smith Walls 7:27

Hahahahaha… I think you would need an hour.

Saara Ullery 7:28

Well, but that but but but the thing of it is, is you’re not actually going to feel an experience. You’re still just in your in your thinking in the mind understanding of understanding but you’re not an experience. Okay, right, right. 

So what we did is we took six practitioners, and we created one big room and set up those six areas far enough apart. And so when everyone came in and registered, they received a number and that number went on their name tag, and everyone paid the same for the registration. Our speaker everyone, everyone. So that that we could, you know, keep it fair. Yeah. And then everyone had to draw on a table to which practitioner they would be with… so you couldn’t choose a practitioner… it was random so it was random. And then we had a spotter that for each table, that that documented, the posture, how people came together when you first come together.

Honey Smith Walls 8:35

You know, I love body language talk, right?

Saara Ullery 8:38

Yeah. Then you’re kind of like what is this? You got your arms crossed. You know, you’re like, or not. Right, right. Yeah. But mostly… I mean, most the people that came to this conference… they were new to all of this, right? Because they were the Health Promotion fronts here in the state programs. Right? That were registered for these primarily. And so for an hour and a half, a small group went through the process. Each one of those practitioners all on this one break big, big room.  And then at the end of the hour and a half we had a big sound bath.

Honey Smith Walls 9:19

What’s that? A sound bath.

Saara Ullery 9:21

Oh my goodness. It’s like a sound artist. She actually graduated… has a master’s. She has her PhD from the California Institute for integral studies in sound healing. So it’s where you have all the crystal balls and you have gongs and you have you have all of this instrumentation that creates this transformative experience in in the resonance of your being… right.

Honey Smith Walls 9:48

Like at 440?

Saara Ullery 9:50

Yeah, exactly. Right. Okay, exactly.

Honey Smith Walls 9:55

Well I’m a musician… Tones really hit me differently. Right.

Saara Ullery 10:01

So when you have an opportunity to go through a process that clears your auric fields that clears that, you know, what we’re talking about, with cannabis and the endocannabinoid system that you’ve balanced the parasympathetic/sympathetic nervous system.

Honey Smith Walls 10:17

That’s Yep. That’s what it boils down to…. right to the core of it.

Saara Ullery 10:21

That you find a place of ease Yeah, right, that you didn’t even know existed because you’re so used to living in dis-ease.

Honey Smith Walls 10:30

Yeah, I just love that you just boiled it all down to that. That’s really, you know, and that’s what I like to do, too. I like to just really, really, really just, you know, just what the actual thing is…

Saara Ullery 10:43

Right, right. So what happened… Here’s the thing. So what happened at the end of that, that process? Yeah, the doctor comes walking up to me across the room coming across the room, and his eyes are all big. And he’s like, “Saara! I feel it! I feel it in the whole room!” And I’m like, Yes, right. “I mean, I’m like, I’m astounded!” 

I’m like, well, of course… what did you think? And he’s like, “Oh, we never believed that would happen!” Hahahahhahahaha

Honey Smith Walls 11:20

Hahahahahha… Yeah, God.

Saara Ullery 11:23

So we collected the data. The hypothesis was, which is fascinating when all the data was collected. The hypothesis was, and I was very ambitious, that I have to say, is that a person could change their perception of their health in a day. 


But what I learned is that wasn’t really what the outcome was. Because with the survey, the very first question was the same very first question in the beginning and at the after survey is… on a scale of one to ten, where do you see your health? 

And so at the second, the later survey, the same question, that bar barely moved… but where the difference where the bar really moved, is that you could change the perception of what your options are. In a day…

Honey Smith Walls 12:14

I see.

Saara Ullery 12:19

Right, they know they have alll these possibilities to tap into to change their health.

Honey Smith Walls 12:28

So that gives the cells of the body hope.

Saara Ullery 12:32

It gives the cells…. it gives… to me… it changes the consciousness. So that’s where the transfer is.

Honey Smith Walls 12:41

That’s what I’m trying to say… it changes the consciousness on a cellular level, they’ve now got hope, which is a very synergistic feeling that you know, it’s anandamide.

Saara Ullery 12:53

Yes. And like you say with cannabis is they’ve they’ve come home. Right. Right. They’ve recognized where home is…where opiates and drugs and all that sort of stuff takes you very far from home.

Honey Smith Walls 13:10

Saara I just keep thinking and I want to ask you this before I forget, you know, Dr. Barry, don’t you and Patty.

Saara Ullery 13:20

I do not.

Honey Smith Walls 13:21

Oh, okay. Well then, never mind… I just saw on Facebook and it was his post, but they were in a pretty bad car accident a couple days ago and I’m just freaking out about it. 

So he’s okay. I know. But you know, they are just some of our Florida darlings in the cannabis industry. And we just don’t want to do this without them. So I’m sending them love and hugs and kisses I thought that you were down there you might you know already know them personally.

Saara Ullery 13:55

Well I’m new here but I know where they are. And I’ve watched their videos and my I have friends that he’s their doctor. So I mean… I haven’t personally… girl

Honey Smith Walls 14:06

Girl…walk into that clinic and introduce yourself the next time you can. They will love you love you love you!

Saara Ullery 14:13

Well that’s my that’s my greatest desire. But just to finish off that research. It was called the Symphony of Healing.

Honey Smith Walls 14:23

Oh my gosh, I’m sorry, I interrupted for that beautiful name. That’s a glorious name… Symphony of Healing.

Saara Ullery 14:31

Yeah, that’s that research.

Honey Smith Walls 14:35

Wow… So can we google the Symphony of Healing and come up with that whole story?

Saara Ullery 14:41

It hasn’t been published yet…

Honey Smith Walls 14:45

Not yet…You got a lot of work to do.

Saara Ullery 14:49

No, no, not really. I mean, really at this point. Where my passion is right now…..

Honey Smith Walls 15:04

Hey, it’s me again. I just keep forgetting to ask you, dear audience, if you would mind. Just taking a moment to go to your particular platform, whether it’s Apple or Spotify or whoever you listen to your podcast on, and liking my program, maybe leaving a little comment, gosh, you know how it works. It’s so helpful to my business. If you just leave a little comment or or especially a like. Thank you so much. You know how much I appreciate you.

Saara Ullery 15:44

Um, you know, I’m finishing up my CHAS, and I did actually sign up for one more little thing. I signed up for the holistic caring network. I love them. And I love that they’re connected to the nursing and the green nurses. So I’m doing their holistic coach program. Oh my gosh, yeah. Because what I want to do, I’ll just state it here is that I really want to do a community participatory based research project with a cannabis community to collect data. You know, on whole health practices that measures the self efficacy of our health journeys. Oh my goodness. A patient centered evidence informed healthcare.

Honey Smith Walls 16:42

That just sounds fantastic. That’s Elizabeth…

Saara Ullery 16:45


Honey Smith Walls 16:49

Mack… Yeah. Oh, wow. Wow, that foundation is just marvelous. And I’m sure you’ll do amazing work with them and complete that task.

Saara Ullery 17:00

I mean, the thing is…. everybody really wants to go to market and… it’s like… know where your food comes from, know where your medicine comes from. They want to go through all those processes, but why not tell an evidence informed story as you go through it, so that it supports the products out there and supports the consumer to understand the products. You know, that’s not going to happen in dispensaries because they’re product driven. 

It doesn’t happen in a lot of doctors, even cannabis doctors because they’re there primarily…. Still cannabis naive. Well, and they’re not looking at the whole sciences picture right, right. Still, yes, focused on cannabis. 

And so that we could actually start building those, those relationships between the cannabis doctor and the health coaches… and the platform for collecting that data…there’s a whole science with that. And the only reason I know about that is because I studied the science of biofield therapies. And they had to prove that Therapeutic Touch is working… that Reiki is working… that when we’re moving energy in between each other, that this is how it gets measured through self efficacy tools. Why can’t those self efficacy tools be used in cannabis?

Honey Smith Walls 18:30

It should be… in my opinion. Absolutely.

Saara Ullery 18:33

I’d love to see that.

Honey Smith Walls 18:37

One of the things Dr. Sulak teaches is to start considering yourself from zero to 10. How are you feeling from zero to 10? Tell me how you’re feeling. Let’s give it a real rating.

Saara Ullery 18:49

Exactly. And that’s what you do in biofield. It says well, you charted just like any other medicine or practice healing experience. Therapeutic Touch came out of university you know, and and they’re celebrating their 50th year anniversary and they’ve got lots of data, right? So it’s there. So I just think it’s time for integration.

Honey Smith Walls 19:18

Right. What do you see? What do you see for Florida for next year and and Happy New Year? What are you gonna do in the new year? 

Saara Ullery 19:35

This! I’m going to be doing this. Whenever I can do this… wherever I can practice holistic practices with a community is what I’m going to be doing.

Honey Smith Walls 19:44

And so I guess I was thinking about conferences and are we going to get to see you at different conferences this year, you’re going to be waiting another year to go out in public. 

Saara Ullery 19:55

Ummmm, you know, I’ve been out in the public you know that my other job is that I’m an arts administrator. So I’m the executive director of a small nonprofit in Venice and we produce music, choral singers, they’re choral singers. So we see we have our first Christmas concert this Sunday at the Venice Performing Arts Center, and there’s 60 Singers. We used to have 120 but COVID, you know, changed that for sure, but so I’m out. 

I guess you are. I think being doing the holistic caring network certification… I’ve found a couple of people here in Florida that we’re going to study together and network and, you know, we’ll be stepping out, you know, and all the places that seem to make sense. Again, I remind you, I love research. So my first experience in this field was at the Institute for Cannabis Research at the University of Colorado in Pueblo in 2017, and and then 2018 and then I attended the MJ for MDs conferences, those… two years as well. I’d like to see more of that in Florida.

Honey Smith Walls 21:07

Me too. I really, really would. I’m not doing what I thought I was going to be doing either and part of that was pandemic.

Saara Ullery 21:16

That was me, too. Yeah.

Honey Smith Walls 21:18

But when I began the first year, I was in this industry, I went out to all the conferences all over the state and, and began meeting people and then pandemic hit. Yeah, so then I began interviewing all those doctors and cannabis medical professionals and lalala and that’s where I really found a passion for, you know, helping the community understand what’s behind this curtain. Oh, and you do it so beautiful. You do too, girl, look at you.

Saara Ullery 21:57

Well, no, I am similar. I was supposed to start teaching in a yoga studio. I was supposed to, you know, set up my new holistic workspace to work from but yeah, none of that happened… it changed in a flash.

Honey Smith Walls 22:13

It does. And so that just shows the resilience of humans, right. Because you just got to either keep going or you don’t.

Saara Ullery 22:24

Well, where do you suggest the first of the year to start… like where would be the place to go that would like kick off a new year new platform of inspired transformation in the cannabis community?

Honey Smith Walls 22:39

So it’s still still a little hard at this point to make physical plans in my case, I’m a little leery about getting back too close to anybody yet. I tried not to have a panic attack at the store yesterday, and you know, came out and the tears were rolling. So I’m like not ready? Not ready to go out into public and be around people yet. I just can’t bear it. I’ve got too much to lose. To look at me you wouldn’t think anything was wrong with me but I got… you know, Old Lady issues and my husband’s almost 90 years old. I don’t want to bring anything back to him. Well, you would know it to look at and he looks like he’s barely. I don’t know. 190 I’m kidding. He looks like he’s in his 60s, you know? Yeah, but he’s not… he’s 90 and he’s Black and I worry about his ability to fight off any of this stuff, even though we both now had all three of the shots. So those are our little pandemic worries.

But what I really want to see coming out into the next year is more organization between our medical professionals, really and and the legislators. Dr. Barry really gets… he’s really got this passion for helping legislators understand fundamentals, you know, and so they can make good decisions for us. And I just think it’s real important to get all this together.

You’ve been listening to another Cannaba Verum podcast with 21st century cannabis shaman, Honey Smith walls. That’s me about the importance of using safe hemp and marijuana products. The process of taking your records with your symptoms and diagnosis to a cannabis specialist can lead you to the correct cannabinoid therapy for your best results. Otherwise, you’re just your own guinea pig looking for answers without any foundational knowledge or ability to determine the best choices unless otherwise proven by a reputable third party lab test. Please be advised that all street weed is contaminated. It may do grave harm to a patient with a delicate immune system like mine. I challenge you to check the veracity of my statements in each episode by checking the medical citations posted on my blog, the Cannaba website that C A and N A

Hello, my friends, I am so tickled you came to listen to Sarah Ullery today. Oh my gosh, she’s so amazing. She’s an entrepreneur, an arts administrator, life sciences educator, a bio field practitioner, and sacred activist for global compassionate coherence. I could barely spit that out. Let me try it again. Sacred activist for global compassionate coherence. She’s committed to being a leader, co-creating shared values and promoting awareness of our inner capacity for wholeness. 

The Presencing Institute in 2017 brought together 17,000 change-makers from around the world to participate in a virtual program called Theory U… as in Theory University. The experience inspired experiential leadership and transformational gatherings in health and wellbeing practices. Like the Symphony of Healing. 

Research and healing practices emerged within the alternative and complementary health sciences community and the journey continues with Gaia. Tune in and co-create a paradigm shift in health and healing on our beautiful planet Earth with Sarah Ullery.


You’ve been listening to another Cannaba Verum Podcast with 21st century cannabis shaman, Honey Smith Walls about the importance of using verifiably safe products. 

The process of getting a diagnosis from your family doctor and taking your records to a cannabis specialist, can lead you to the correct cannabinoid therapy for those issues.

Otherwise… You’re just your own guinea pig lookin for answers without any foundational knowledge or ability to determine the best choices or strategies.

To find a qualified cannabis expert in your area visit Cannabis Clinicians dot Org It is a national society of cannabis experts.

Unless otherwise proven by a reputable third party lab test, please be advised that all street weed is contaminated. 

It may do grave harm to a patient with a delicate immune system who already have inflammatory issues like arthritis, IBS, FibroMyalgia, or worse.

Subscribe to The Cannaba Verum podcast and become part of a project to understand the effects of cannabis on the public. Your anecdotal testimony is priceless to me. 

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Cannaba Verum is Latin for Cannabis Truth. Sourcing factual information about cannabis hasn’t always been easy for a variety of reasons. However now because of modern innovations, it is. My sources are from leaders in cannabis science like: 

Roger Adams, U.S. Organic Chemist who isolated the structure of CBD, 

Raphael Mechoulam, Israeli Organic Chemist who isolated the structure of THC,

Ethan Russo, Dir R&D International Cannabis and Cannabinoids Institute 

Dustin Sulak, DO – my favorite doctor at, teaching the art of Cannabis Healing to the world, and other industry greats like: 

Rev. Dr. Kymron DeCesare, Ed Rosenthal, Jack Herer, Michael Backes, and Michael Pollen and so many more… plus I use classical sites like:,, I listen to several daily podcasts to keep up with the latest cannabis news across the nation and throughout the world like:  The Great Shea Gunther at and  I trust the and I watch the National Cannabis Industry Association (NCIA) at: and many more like: NCIA’s Cannabis Industry VOICE (

Over past episodes of Cannaba Verum, we’ve listened to some amazing scientists and medical professionals talk about their discoveries and patient successes as hundreds of questionable compounds rise to the public grasp. I am especially interested in the pharmacists movement becoming an integral part of this new medicinal choice. 

Watch this machine roll into action through conversations with pharmacy doctors all over the nation.

You’ll find Citations available on my podcast blog at 

PS: Helping society get past the fear of using cannabis will be a lifelong journey for me. This industry is just opening up and most patients and doctors are completely cannabis naive and need help understanding where to turn for trustworthy information. 

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Show Notes:

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