Welcome to the Cannaba Verum podcast, the cannabis truth podcast. I speak the language of cannabis freely and uncensored, while educating my audience on the safe use of this live Plant Therapy. You should know what’s in your cannabis, what’s good and what’s not. It does not come with an FDA stamp of approval yet, using cannabis mindfully, as medication is a different concept in the healthcare philosophy of the past 100 years. There’s a lot to learn and consider cannabis is not dangerous, but it is not harmless, either. This is honey Smith walls, a 21st century cannabis shaman here to explain the language of cannabis in historical, political, and scientific terms, so you can make educated decisions about the medicine you ingest.
Hey, my friends, I’m just so tickled to be presenting a fabulous gap with the wonderful Dr Leah Johnson out in California. She is a cannabinoid scientist pharmacist, and she is here to explain so many things to us, that makes using cannabis so much clearer. And with that I’ll just say that we were just discussing how the new discovery of cannabis Jerell that’s C B, G in the an acronym form can have a general rule really can affect your blood sugar and your blood pressure, and now there’s all kinds of new Cannaba Verum products out on the market that are just isolates of that or they’ve got a whole bunch more of that isolette in, you know, mixed in with a bunch of other stuff that may affect you adversely that’s why it’s so important to get a diagnosis from your regular family physician, take it to your brand new cannabis specialist doctor, so that he can assess what your problems and your issues are and your prescription therapy as well as how to point you in the right direction of the proper cannabinoids that you should be using, and how to use them properly. There’s so much to learn so much to get to, and I’m so tickled you’re here with us. Come along. Here’s Dr Leya right now. Hey, I know that Dr. Allen ow is on the board of the is CPH, the, the International Society of Kaina pharmacists and. Oh for heaven’s sakes, I just lost the question I was gonna ask you about that. Oh, it had to do with exactly what you were saying, holding hands, and he is trying to develop a new kind of medical system that he even has a name for a tea. He made protocols. No, it he calls it like reframing the mindset from the bottom up approach. Yeah, and it just, it, it’s, it’s developing this idea in in the industry where pharmacists can be the other, you know, puzzle piece of our body questions to help us do exactly what you’re saying. But Les I gotta tell you, I have not known many doctors who have the time to, to hold my hand, through, through my issues, like you do with your patients and that’s one of the things that draws me to us so much that you really have a grasp of the patient’s need for hand holding. Oh this is scary. This is scary.
Unknown 4:24
And that’s and that’s what really bothers me that like especially insurances now have the right to like I mean when I heard from one of my physician and call physician colleagues that oh well, you know, based on this organization I are like the company that they work for. I have to see for patients in an hour that leaves 15 minutes per patient. I mean, like, 15 minutes per patient I mean, Sometimes, yeah but the quick physical No biggie, but if I’m not feeling well and I have questions. It’s gonna take a lot longer. That’s why the doctors are always, that’s why the physicians are always late, why they’re stressed like it’s not fair to rush them like that and it’s the same thing with, you know any year especially any profession in health care, like we’re forced to do so many things for, you know, in such a short amount of time that we are not really able to do it thoroughly where I, I’m a big advocate of thorough,
Unknown 5:15
I’m like, I,
Unknown 5:16
you know, I, a lot of my patients when I noticed that something’s wrong with them. Like, we’re like a medication issue. It’s because nobody explained to you that like I have a patient and they were taking certain medications at night, because the doctor said take it once a day, so they don’t know when to take it, it was easier for them to take it at night so they just took it at night, but it ends up that that medication is more effective in the morning, and, and they’re you know there’s so many things like that, that’s like, very small, itty bitty tiny things that can fix a big problem, but you just don’t know who to talk to because everybody assumes the answer is either doctor or doctor or doctor Google, that’s it, that’s in their mind is I look it up on the web, or my art like my doctor is infallible I do everything my doctor tells me that’s or the internet’s infallible, I do everything it tells me they’re wrong. It’s like, that’s literally the point of a clinical pharmacist is, like, my job is to say, hey, you know, as a retail pharmacist or community pharmacists, it might look perfect. There might be no side effects no interaction, and that’s you know really the purpose of the retail pharmacist is to protect you. Make sure it’s covered make sure it goes through the insurance call the doctor if there’s any interactions or issues. So the retail pharmacist is so important. But the point of the clinical pharmacist is really to be there to say. On paper, this all looks good but then when you, but when you match it with the blood work when you match it with the talking to the patient and learning about their past medical history and how, what type of person they are when they eat things you realize, oh, there’s so much more to this person is not writing on a paper person is a person, and, and we don’t we have not been treating patients as patients for years
Unknown 7:02
now. Gosh, understanding feels so good. Yeah, you are so great at helping people understand. I can’t wait to see. Yeah, I can’t wait to see what you do, as this industry progresses. Hey, have you been to Cody Peterson and Dr Michael Clancy’s clubhouse yet to listen to them on Saturday mornings at nine.
Unknown 7:30
I haven’t only because clubhouse, I, I’m not very comfortable with a clubhouse platform specifically
Unknown 7:38
because
Unknown 7:39
for a couple different reasons, a I mean first thing before I say this though Cody is amazing, like, Cody is awesome. I know the other doctor but not as well as I know Cody and Cody’s like is absolutely awesome. Um, but I just didn’t want to put so I didn’t want to put the negative with the docs, I want to put the negative with the app, but my issue with clubhouse is a for so long, they were only allowing one type of people which is like okay so we’re supposed to be an all inclusive industry that really cares and supports each other yet. The one place we all went on to that a lot of people went on to was a place that literally cut out half of the, of the industry.
Unknown 8:16
So, because originally it was only for iPhones. Exactly, yeah. So now
Unknown 8:22
it’s Android, but what I’m finding is that people who have iPhones who have been on the clubhouse from the beginning are actually starting to drop off now as well, saying like, like it. The problem is there’s, it’s too easy to have misinformation. And that’s really my biggest thing is like I’ve been, I personally like I said, have not been there but a colleague of mine, who knows met it like you, not as well as, like, he’s more of the he’s more of the saint like more of the safety aspects of regulations, I’m more of the med Manos meds too and he went on and he goes, there are just people there that are like he goes I went to a couple of rooms and like the information they’re giving is. It’s just wrong. Like he’s like, and I don’t get it because they’re just cheering this person and cheering this person but like it’s rock like the information is not correct. And that’s what like it’s that’s what frightens me because at least if you if you hear from me on, You know, yes, yes it is true that like you can probably look up the person again I don’t know the app, you could probably look up the person but at least if I post something on a website I post something somewhere else, you can go back figure out who I am, what my experiences, what my background is and see that, oh okay she’s a she’s a trained cannabis there cannabis pharmacy, she knows, she versus how do we know that these, I mean there are people in the industry that do call themselves doctor that do not have a medical have any sort of medical doctorate, or even PhD doctorate, they, they just are doctor because they’ve given themselves that title, or they’re at a doctorate in something having nothing to do with pharmaceuticals or medicines but are you know are utilizing that information, which could be relevant, it’s just, you just, you can’t always trust who you’re hearing from and that’s what I’m, again, I could go on and a colleague of mine was like you can go on and just spell all this stuff but they’re like the amount of hours you’d have to put into going on to this thing, like that’s what my colleague said he goes, I was on it for like hours and I’m just exhausted like
Unknown 10:22
there is it is. It’s a, it’s a, it’s a grand stage, and you have to vet the, The rooms that you decide to go into. That’s really true. And so, so far I’ve only gone into Cody and Dr ganseys room, and then Dr. Barry Gordon’s room, and in the other rooms. I got I absolutely have to agree with your friend, they’re just crap. You can find that everywhere. And that’s the
Unknown 10:51
problem is that there’s too much crap and and and too many people being toted for it like there are so there’s people in the industry that everybody totes on that goes, oh my god this person is amazing. And then you learn more about them and you’re like why is everybody supporting this person, this person like doesn’t know anything like they, they’re using the same information that we’ve used for the last like 20 years like with no updated info like this isn’t helpful for anybody, right,
Unknown 11:19
right, right. So, and and, yeah, yeah. And the whole point of new technology is to be able to utilize it in such a way that we can make communications better Mung humans and animals and aliens, right.
Unknown 11:33
Exactly and that’s why when people like if I’m on a, on a chat or something and I like to go on the networking things, and they’re like if somebody ever questions like, Oh, where did you get that from I’m like oh well you know I got it from this reference, there’s also a couple references on, you know, different studies that have been done. So I always try to reference something because if I said somebody told me then how do I know they had relevant information,
Unknown 11:54
so you know what they were talking about the other day, on, on the show was being able to tell spikes in your ECS, and I just found that fascinating new juicy information so I’m glad that they’re being able to to see it on, you know, graphs and stuff. Now when what your endocannabinoid system and the receptor system is doing, according to what’s poking at
Unknown 12:21
exactly that and that’s and these are the kind of things we need to know but we also have, and that’s why the trials are needed every day I mean there’s some amazing, amazing studies coming out in my studies, and a lot of people might have it hard, they are my studies, they’re not human studies, it’s not the same. But the weird thing is, is in many of my studies is usually with us usually use my studies for drug testing that’s just normal, but there’s only some only like, they don’t use it to like they use it but what they find is they have to move on to higher species including human trials, because the fact that the mouse body doesn’t really like mirror. Right, exactly. However in cannabis they’ve actually shown a lot of correlation between the effects in the mice, and the effects in humans. So it I think it’s just because the endocannabinoid system works similarly in both but again, this is also all assumption based off of the research I’ve read. So, it’s but it’s just so fascinating and I really hope it gets there because, I mean, I’m reading some fascinating things especially about all odds, Like a man, I can’t say the word dementia and Alzheimer’s so because it’s Oh, so me too. Oh well, yes.
Unknown 13:43
And it’s just amazing because like everybody assumes, once you get I mean even the pharmaceuticals on the market right now, the majority I mean pretty much the majority of them that people use. It’s to prevent the degree degradation of the rate is not to help improve it, it’s just to prevent the breakdown. So like, like the Upazilla, which is Aricept That’s That’s its job. Its job is to prevent the further breakdown to try to prevent it from you from losing, losing more of your memory, but it doesn’t help build it. So really what they’re showing is amazing studies showing the age showing to be protective and to prevent that breakdown but also showing that some of the mice who already had the breakdown actually were seeing better was you know better benefits and better results, and their memory was actually getting better, which I think is so important because everybody’s so focused on Oh, memory loss, oh, people are, and. And I will say that I am about to actually write a blog on LinkedIn, it will actually be my first blog so, because I’m pretty much making LinkedIn like I’m making sure I’m setting up a page for alcumus consulting on LinkedIn. And my focus really is the fact of people misinterpreting studies because that’s there was a wow, because right now I’m sure I don’t know if you’ve seen it, there was a big study, you actually might have posted, and, like, commented on it, somebody had posted a study showing that there was a link towards well first the actual post CEP study said that there was a link towards use of cannabis in suicide. And when I actually looked into the article, I first I looked into the article and then realize the article was rubbish. So then I looked into the actual study. The study said, it may be linked to. In other words, they don’t know. All they did was a retrospective study, which is the study, you’re gonna get the least amount of information from you’re just really getting data and you’re compiling and making a hypothesis based on the data you collected so they collected a lot of data over many years and showed for patients who have had committed suicide, and saw what was in their blood, and a good percentage of them had cannabis. So the article commented that it may be correlated, well, then the media mastermind and went into a frenzy and said, cannabis has been linked to a suicidal ideation teenagers, it’s like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. It says there might be a link. The only problem is what if we’re looking at the link backwards, we’re not, we’re not looking at Happy completely functional human being started using cannabis got depressed committed suicide. Yeah, looking at the background of the, they’re not looking at it backwards How do a what medication are these patients on because a lot of antidepressants cause suicide. So they had just been started on an antidepressant that could have led to the suicide. A lot of patients might have been on cannabis to treat the underlying cause it like to say I’m depressed, I’m gonna smoke because it makes me feel better. So it was in their system because it stays in their system. So when depressants are used off label for something else. Well, exactly. That’s what I’m saying, like, the issue is they’re correlating cannabis use to suicide. They’re not correlating depression cannabis use to depression, and that some of these people who are depressed commit suicide. That’s really the biggest difference is there, is the articles are making assumptions, the actual study said, this is something we need to look into further, further which I absolutely agree if there’s any results that show some similar to this, you should always look more into it and actually have studies of patients who, you know, hey I have depression, I’d like to start using cannabis to see if it helps, and then monitor them going forward, how did it work for them you know when they started it, you know they’re, you know and how to do a test, you know, for anybody who’s has depression, chronic, you know who has clinical depression and would like to use cannabis for it, and monitor them, find out what’s going on and to give them suicidal like charts and stuff like that to see you know what level they’re at, and that we will be able to see is, is cannabis inducing the suicide or is depression inducing the cannabis use, which is personally what I assumed I believe that these, I believe that if we were to go farther in this study we would see that depressed patients have often turned to candidates,
Unknown 18:04
just like Zachary Richardson, our nation’s best runner. Yep, you know.
Unknown 18:15
Yeah, all we did was penalize her for seeking out therapy that would not alter her mental status in the long term, like as a depressant performance right. I mean, is a depressant can mess up your, your ability to, you know, it messes with your brain chemistry so that can lead to other things. So if she decided you know what I know cannabis is effective or my depression. I know that this is the dose I use I am not mentally altered while using this dosage to help with my depression. So all she’s doing is using a more natural therapy to help with her depression that doesn’t affect her performance, anything, you know if she were to have too much of her medicine, especially if there’s THC and her dose that she uses. There’s a really good chance that that THC might be doing the opposite and might actually slow her down and make her tired, so you know if anything if she was taking something that could be causing issue instead of helping her with her running. So I personally think it’s ridiculous to you know have any issue with, with a patient’s trying to see, you know, proper medical help for an ailment they have it so I said we shouldn’t be. I even posted like we shouldn’t be recommending her we should be empowering her
Unknown 19:27
ordering her exam, which is what I hope Nike is going to do. I hope it’s still a gray area right now right they’re not sure what they’re gonna do with it they could, yeah, they could they could choose to support her, because it’s time, it’s the right thing to do it’s the right side of history, it’s the right side of corruption.
Unknown 19:47
Yeah, we have enough data at this point from many, many countries that are not united states that show benefits in human studies in cannabis, and obviously many many many animal but there’s also ones in and again in countries that allowed that research to happen, you know like Israel like the United, like, British Columbia, like, like the Netherlands, they have a lot of studies because they want to know and they, and they, and the problem is, is the United States we’ve seen those studies we looked at those studies, they’re very interesting and beneficial studies, But that’s still not enough for us to move things to schedule one, I just got out of schedule one and I’ve heard way too many things about people going hemming and hawing about schedule one verse, you know rescheduling versus D scheduling which is its own 20 hour long topic. Oh god, yeah, and there’s, there’s reasons for both, and I think that the problem is, is, is that I think that everybody wants everybody wants an answer so everybody either goes, goes to the left or goes to the right and I’m not saying conservative or liberal I just mean like just directions, they go in two separate directions. And what I say is, why are we choosing a direction, why not do both. You can do it in the middle, all you need to do is d just reschedule until you get proper kit cannabis regulation federally, and then d schedule once you’re able to get the proper infrastructure in place, it’s really,
Unknown 21:21
it’s the infrastructure that’s all it is, they just have to get a good infrastructure and the and no two states seem to agree on that. Yeah,
Unknown 21:34
exactly. I mean I ended up with Connecticut. I will say I’m usually a not a very I usually have very not nice things to say about Connecticut because I grew up there and I’ve got experience. But when it comes to cannabis regulation and policy, hands down, I 100% think they’re great, I’ve seen their packages, and I told you about those, I was blown away. Like, that’s and that’s and that’s like I said that’s that’s what the cannabis pharmacists Coalition of California is trying to do is fix the regulations get better labeling get better packaging, you know, get better enforcement on dispensary’s of what type of education they can give, make sure that they’re educated, make sure that or even better in my opinion, getting a healthcare professional, educated in cannabis in there to speak with patients or at least somebody on call, where it’s like, we have a patient in here with a couple questions. We’re going to give them to the cannabis nurse the cannabis physician the cannabis pharmacist whatever it is, it needs to exist, which is what I’ve seen with my problem, and even weirder, I’m finding the weirdest things.
Unknown 22:44
Hey, my friends, you have a unique opportunity to have a real pharmacist who is also a cannabis specialist. Evaluate your prescription regimen to see if you can lessen those side effects of all those prescriptions, with cannabinoid therapy in mind. Oh, sure you can get any of your local pharmacist to evaluate all your prescriptions, and you probably should, but they won’t have cannabinoid therapy understanding, like the fabulous Doctor Laya. Not only will she go over your entire medical history and current prescription regimen, she’ll work in concert with your primary care physician to tame your symptoms. And if needed, or even so desired, try cannabis therapy to help. This is an affordable investment into lifting the quality of your life. All that mix ology in your tummy. It can be controlled with the help and knowledge of our dear Dr Leah. She can take your call, no matter what state you live in, and she’ll work with your very own doctor. So get in touch with her today, you’ll feel so much better after you do, you can send an email to Dr Laya at alkemist cannabis consulting.com. And don’t worry about remember, remembering that or writing it down. There’s another piece I want to tell you, it just blows my mind. She says you can text her. I’ve never had a doctor, or my pharmacist give me their, their cell phone so that I could text them. That just is amazing to me. So don’t worry about writing all that down, because I’m going to give you the the name and the number, and put it in the podcast episode description. So it’s Dr Leah at alkemist cannabis, consulting.com, or you can text her at 408-418-8802. She said it’s best to email her. If it’s not an emergency, but you can always text her, and she said, Don’t be shy. The gab continues with the next episode of the Cannaba Verum podcast.
Host: Honey 26:57
You’ve been listening to another Cannaba Verum podcast with 21st century cannabis shaman Honey Smith Walls, about the importance of using safe hemp and marijuana products. Unless otherwise proven by a reputable third party lab test, please be advised that all street weed is contaminated. It may do grave harm to a patient with a delicate immune system. I challenge you to check the veracity of my statements in each episode by checking the medical citations posted on my blog at Cannaba Verum.com.
That’s C A N N A B A V E R U M.com
- plant specifically grows, the acid form, the THCa – https://academic.oup.com/pcp/article/46/9/1578/1812749
- all street weed is contaminated: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5022003/
- Handbook of Cannabis for Clinicians, Practices and Principles by Dr. Dustin Sulak – https://www.amazon.com/Handbook-Cannabis-Clinicians-Principles-Practice/dp/0393714187 and healer.com
- Certificate of Analysis (COA) https://www.pharmtech.com/view/certificates-analysis-don-t-trust-verify
