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Bumper Promo:
Hey friends, I want you to realize something before you hear my next guest…
We all come out of the shoot in trauma. We are all born in pain that causes trauma. That’s where all of us start life on the outside. In trauma. And then for some of us… it continues.
Now no matter how old you are, you’ll have to learn to deal with it somehow and manage the pain of that trauma so it doesn’t eat you up inside.
Not many kids I know are taught how to deal with severe trauma… adult medical professionals usually pump them up with synthetic prescriptions and a little talk therapy.
But what if there was a plant therapy that could help resolve enough of the pain for that kid to function in society without overwhelmingly unacceptable side effects… like brain fog, zombie-itis, anti social behavior, and eating disorders?
Something gentle that helps them overcome the negative looping thoughts and seek the comfort of others.
Well our next guest is part of the second volume of Courage in Cannabis and she’d like to help us understand what it’s like for a youthful patient who needs a little help from our favorite plant.
right after the intro…
Intro
Honey Smith Walls 0:00
Welcome to season four of the Cannaba Verum podcast, the cannabis truth podcast.
I speak the language of cannabis freely and uncensored while educating my audience on safe use of this live plant therapy. You should know what’s in your cannabis…what’s good and what’s not.
It does not come with an FDA stamp of approval yet. Using cannabis mindfully as medication is a different concept in Western healthcare philosophy, specifically of the past 100 years. There’s a lot to learn and reconsider.
The information you’ll find here comes straight from scientists and clinicians doing the work and reporting their findings in real time through various live online outlets.
The scientific truth of cannabis is finally getting out and is wide open for all to see at respected medical sites like pubmed.gov and JAMA, the Journal of American Medical Association… and I’m right there in the thick of it with all those titans of medicine… as a fly on the wall.
Because I’m not a doctor, nor did I go to med school. But I did take dozens of private cannabis courses and still engage in continuing education offered by cannabis expert scientists over the past few years and slowly began to see and understand the bigger picture.
Now I talk to people all day long about cannabis and hopefully inspire them to research the facts as we know them today. Cannabis is an amazing alternative in health remedies. It can reportedly alleviate typical disease problems and troubling side effects, even those caused by synthetic prescriptions.
This is Honey Smith Walls, a 21st century cannabis shaman, not a doctor, not a scientist, raised by nuns and wolves in the verdant cattle pastures of the Oklahoma oil fields. I’m here to amplify the truth of this great big story of cannabis in historical, political, scientific and spiritual terms, so you can make educated decisions about the medicine you choose to ingest.
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Bling
Honey Smith Walls 0:08
Hey, it sounds like I have Andrea. Yes. Hi. Do you prefer Andi? Either one. Well, this is Honey. It’s a pleasure to meet you. And thank you so much for spending some time with us today.
Andrea Chaillet 4:32
Thank you so much for inviting me.
Honey Smith Walls 4:34
Yeah, sure. Of course. I’m sitting here looking at a little promo that I just made for Dr Bridget’s episode on the Cannabis Truth podcast. And she was very exciting. I have to say it was so much fun to chat with her. I bet you enjoyed the time that you’ve been able to spend with her as well.
Andrea Chaillet 4:57
She has been such a great role model for me. And I’m really lucky to be able to work with her.
Honey Smith Walls 5:04
Oh well tell us… tell my audience and me too… How did you come to work with Dr. Bridget? What brought you into cannabis?
Andrea Chaillet 5:14
That is a long story.
Honey Smith Walls 5:18
And one that you put in the book to Volume Two, right? Yes. Yeah, that’s the exciting part while you’re here today to help promote this wonderful second volume of Courage in Cannabis. And all of the people who have come to know relief through this live Plant Therapy… right?
Andrea Chaillet 5:39
Yes. I had never used cannabis before I turned 19 or 20. I had gotten diagnosed with PTSD. And my therapist suggested taking a holistic approach to it. Because I didn’t want to go on antidepressants…
Honey Smith Walls 6:05
You already knew about them by that age, that tender age.
Andrea Chaillet 6:10
Yeah, I just didn’t think it was going to be a good fit for me. I didn’t want to deal with the side effects and having to try a bunch of different options to find what worked best for me. And my therapist suggested medical marijuana.
Honey Smith Walls 6:25
No kidding. What state are you in? Were you in then? Ohio. No kidding. That’s wonderful.
Andrea Chaillet 6:32
Yeah, I was really lucky to have her as my therapist. And she wrote a letter to go along with the documents I had to bring to one of the doctors who have the certificate to record and basically said she thought that because of my diagnosis and my symptoms that I would be a good candidate for it. The doctor agreed and I was able to walk out with my card the same day and register with the Board of Pharmacy.
Honey Smith Walls 7:05
So that’s how it works in Ohio. It’s see I’m down here in Melbourne, Florida and Florida is a lot like that too. We have a medical marijuana system. That’s legal in the state of Florida. If you have a card that you get through a doctor that can recommend you into the program. So what happened after you got your card?
Andrea Chaillet 7:35
I had never tried any products before so I was really lost the first time I went to a dispensary.
Honey Smith Walls 7:42
Did they not give you enough foundational information about cannabis when you went to see the doctor?
Andrea Chaillet 7:50
Because this was in 2018… the Ohio medical marijuana program was still young. I think that might have been its first year of operation so there wasn’t a lot of resources out there for patients.
Honey Smith Walls 8:06
That’s right. Wow. So they have dispensaries there I’m guessing… Okay. And what was that like? Down here, some of the dispensaries when I first started going were like little glass prisons. You got strip searched nearly when you walked in and and at some even had to sign a piece of paper that said you were going to behave yourself… which I found to be extremely rude.
There I was trying to get medication for all my old lady aches and pains. And they’re threatening me if I don’t behave myself. Well kind of people are coming in here? What kind of people do you expect? So then in other places, it’s kind of like going into an Apple iPhone store. You know, all their products just look so clean and neat and special and like they’re really organized and well developed and all of that. So what was it like in your first dispensary?
Andrea Chaillet 9:14
I was really nervous because my mom couldn’t go in with me.
Honey Smith Walls 9:17
Oh, no. Oh, no. And so then what happened?
Andrea Chaillet 9:23
I had to fill out a bunch of paperwork. I had to do like intake forms. Really, it’s it seemed very sterile and strict. But everyone who works there was very nice. So I waited in the waiting room for a little bit until they let me go through these sliding glass doors into the actual dispensary area.
It smelled good. The bud tender was super nice. He knew that I was struggling to figure out what I wanted….
Honey Smith Walls 10:01
Or what you needed…. Yeah. Did you expect all of the choices that you saw?
Andrea Chaillet 10:05
I had no idea that there were so many options, especially for edibles.
Honey Smith Walls 10:10
What did you think you were going to get when you first went into that dispensary? What did you assume it was going to be like… any idea to think like maybe you’re just gonna get some pot in a bag or something…
Andrea Chaillet 10:24
I thought it was just going to be flower and maybe some gummies but it ended up being a large selection of flower and cartridges and edibles.
Honey Smith Walls 10:36
Did you get any salves and tinctures and sprays?
Andrea Chaillet 10:41
There were tinctures too. I think that was one of the first things I got.
Honey Smith Walls 10:45
So many choices and then they have t-shirts for their particular dispensary brand, and sunglasses and papers and pipes and just all kinds of things. So yeah, then they they do their branding number on us down here in Florida with the different dispensaries and so you’d walk around in their clothing with their brand name on it. How long did it take you to figure out what your needs really were after you began going to the dispensary?
Andrea Chaillet 11:20
It took a few months of trial and error. Yeah. And even after a few years I still struggle a little bit with testing out different brands.
Honey Smith Walls 11:31
Thank you for saying that out loud. I too. I know what I’m doing in cannabis more so than most, you know, 99.9% of the people on the planet. I know what I’m doing. And I’m still struggling to get the right product for the right issue. And a lot of that has to do with availability, right, because you might not be able to get what you really need. Have you figured out terpenes yet?
Andrea Chaillet 12:00
I know what terpenes are. I’m not super picky about them. When I’m selecting products for myself.
Honey Smith Walls 12:06
Tell us how you have decided to choose the products that you’ve got. I mean, I know you choose one of them. You take one home and then how are the effects for you? Have you been able to find the stuff that gives you energy and focus in the morning and then the stuff that helps you relax and you know sleep better at night, and maybe the hybrid stuff in the daytime or whatever?
Andrea Chaillet 12:34
I keep it super simple with my regimen. I like hybrids, or indicas. I’m not really a big sativa person just because it makes me a little bit anxious.
Honey Smith Walls 12:50
A lot of people get anxiety from a little too much THC. So maybe those sativas does have a higher THC percentage than some of the indicas that you’ve been getting.
So you might, you might try checking your percentages, you know jotting those down to see if you do come across anything again that makes you anxious. And have you learned how to quell that anxiety if you get too much THC.
Andrea Chaillet 13:27
CBD… CBD will bounce it out.
Honey Smith Walls 13:29
At a girl. Okay. There are other compounds too and here’s what I wanted to tell you about terpenes…
Mazo Promo:
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I know this to be true because I had to see him for my own old lady neuropathy issues. He did not prescribe the usual synthetic stuff. He told me to go get a particular kind of cannabis instead and use it in a very specific way to find relief. He also told me that smoking cannabis is like taking a shower when you’re thirsty. You’ll get wet but it won’t go inside unless you drink it. He said that smoking should be used for acute symptoms and ingesting will keep us healthy longer.
Thank you Dr. Mazo. We think every doctor in America should have your knowledge in their little black bag. See his clinic details in my show notes. Dr. Anthony Mazo in Melbourne, Florida, at the Brevard Neuro Center.
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Terpenes are the volume control for the effects of cannabis.
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THC is really great for acute pain and things like PTSD to help you get rid of negative looping memories, but CBD is great for inflammatory pain and getting rid of anxiety.
So if you think of those two compounds and you know those two issues they’re good for, then you can kind of better understand how terpenes are going to affect those two different compounds.
Remember that old Tide commercial, where the little kid wakes up in the middle of the stormy night and is kind of afraid of the thunder. So he sneaks down the hall to his mom’s bed…. and as he starts to climb into it… he grabs way up high on the bed and grabs the blanket and it kind of draws him closer to his nose and he smells it and he thinks… Oh that smells good and it relaxed him.
You know why it relaxed him? Because it had a terpene in it called linalool and linalool is sedating, and guess where linalool grows also… in cannabis.
So that’s one of the sedating terpenes that will help you understand if you’re going to have a couch lock that night and limonene on the other hand, the stuff that you smell and taste in citrus fruits… limonene will give you a bright, happy focus, energetic, you know, in the morning.
So that’s the kind of volume control I’m talking about when you think about terpenes and what they’ll do for your cannabis ride. So next time you you go to the dispensary… be sure and check out the terpenes that are listed in your indica choices that you’re making. And I bet you’ll you’ll understand even more how those effects are happening for you.
Andrea Chaillet 18:51
That definitely makes a lot of sense. I never thought of it that way just because when I was in school we were taught terpenes are how a plant smells or how it plant tastes.
Honey Smith Walls 19:05
That’s true, and it’s in everything and guess what… it’s already FDA approved. Terpenes are already FDA approved.
So what they really don’t tell you is kind of the elephant in the room… terpenes are in absolutely everything we we eat and drink and smell and taste. And like I said they’re already FDA approved. And they are medicinal.
So why hasn’t Big Pharma used them? Big Pharma is not in the habit of well care. Big Pharma is in the habit of sick care. And when you start eating right… and we are what we eat, then you’re not going to be needing Big Pharma’s pill machine and pill factory anymore.
So Big Pharma is not very interested in telling people what’s going to help them become well. And yet, scientists are beginning to realize and discover the benefits and the health values of terpenes. Now in the cannabis industry and also in the mushroom industry, I might add, because terpenes are in mushrooms. And you know psychedelics are coming in almost faster than cannabis is for being able to help people in depression… and end of life… that sort of thing.
So terpenes are going to be a big damn deal and the faster we can help patients understand how it affects their cannabis ride, the faster they will be able to find relief for their specific aches and pains. What is your favorite way of using cannabis that helps you the most?
Andrea Chaillet 21:00
When I first got diagnosed with PTSD, I was having frequent panic attacks. And I needed something that would help me immediately. Yes. So I really like using a cartridge for vaping whenever I feel an anxiety or panic attack coming. Good. It’s kind of like a rescue inhaler.
Honey Smith Walls 21:27
It is… that’s exactly what it is. I agree. Totally. And I like to keep a little disposable vape pen on my bedside table so that if I wake up in the middle of the night, you know and cannot get back to sleep… It’s right there and I don’t have to do all the nine yards of you know, stoking my pipe and finding the lighter and, you know, missing the ashtray in the middle of the night.
Andrea Chaillet 21:53
I always have a vape next to my bed as well. I call it my sleepy time vape.
Honey Smith Walls 21:58
Yeah, I even have one that says sleep on it and another one that says Wake because they look just alike. You know they’re just little disposables, but anyway, well it sounds like you have found relief in the medical marijuana program that you’re in up in Ohio.
Andrea Chaillet 22:20
It has definitely helped me control my symptoms and helped me function better.
Honey Smith Walls 22:26
I am so glad to hear that. Do you get any flack from friends or family?
Andrea Chaillet 22:34
My mom was very supportive. She’s been supportive through the whole process, including taking me to the doctor’s appointment and taking me to my first dispensary visit. Oh, and my grandpa used to not be as supportive, but he is a doctor and he’s currently learning more about how it is medicinally beneficial for people, especially because he works in an opioid addiction treatment center. Oh, wow. So he is trying to see how medical thc works so he did a full 180…
Honey Smith Walls 23:20
Yeah 180 Yeah. Yeah… he did a turnaround yes. But he’s changed, too. It’s wonderful that your life has had that good effect on him because it’s so important that our medical professionals begin to realize the value in cannabis so that they can help more people. People will really begin to believe this when their doctors do. Right? That is true. Yeah. So it’s important and you’ve already had a big influence on a doctor. That’s a big deal.
Andrea Chaillet 24:06
Cincinnati has a medical marijuana meetup once a month. Yeah. And it’s patients… doctors, people who work at dispensaries, brand representatives. So my grandpa has actually started going to those meetups with me and talking to other doctors. It’s been really good to bond with him over that.
Honey Smith Walls 24:32
I can imagine… that is so cool to hear. There are several national organizations now but one in particular that you’ll find always in my show notes is the Society of CannabisClinicians.org And actually it’s cannabisclinicians.org
But it is for clinicians to begin to learn about cannabis and it’s a quite esteemed organization. I’m proud to be a society member of it as an advocate, member, but that would be a great place for your grandpa to look up all kinds of things, all kinds of foundational information that would show him what his peers are talking about.
So that’s really wonderful to hear that you’ve been an influence already in this great big story of cannabis. Because you’ll be telling your own grandkids some day about these stories. When the world changed from Prohibition to freeing the plant. And really that’s what’s happening now. In our era so it’s quite exciting, isn’t it?
Andrea Chaillet 26:07
A very exciting time. Hopefully, grandkids will live to see the day where it is fully legalized and decriminalized in the United States.
Honey Smith Walls 26:17
I’m struggling not to go into politics here because it’s so frustrating but we’re working and doing the good works and you are too… so young and brave. It takes a lot of courage to stand up for something this politically charged and it’s been politically charged around the world. So I’m really grateful to your courage, darling. And I just want to thank you for sharing your experience with my audience. We’re really looking forward to the book coming out.
Andrea Chaillet 26:55
Thank you and it’s really important to have people like you and Dr. Bridget trying to humanize people who use cannabis.
Honey Smith Walls 27:03
That’s right. There you go. That’s a great message. Is there anything that you’d like to tell our audience and or maybe how to get in touch with you if somebody would like to?
Andrea Chaillet 27:16
My contact information will be listed in my chapter of the book. So my email will be in there as well.
Honey Smith Walls 27:23
Good! So buy the book, right? Yes, buy the book.
Andrea Chaillet 27:26
Support everyone who has been telling their story.
Honey Smith Walls 27:30
Because that’s what’s happening here. Dr. Bridget is supporting the people who have real stories about cannabis and it’s taken a lot of courage to get us all this far. But we’re walking the walk. Oh, honey, talking the talk. That’s right. Thank you again, darling, for sharing your time with us. It’s been lovely to speak with you. And I know you’re gonna continue doing the good work. We appreciate you so much. Thanks, Andi.
Andrea Chaillet 28:00
Thank you have a good one.
FINI:
You’ve been listening to another Cannaba Verum podcast with 21st century cannabis shaman Honey Smith Walls about the importance of using verifiably safe products. The process of getting a diagnosis from your family doctor and taking your records to a cannabis specialist can lead you to the correct cannabinoid therapy for those issues. Otherwise, you’re just your own guinea pig looking for answers without any foundational knowledge or ability to determine the best choices or strategies.
To find a qualified cannabis expert in your area… visit www.cannabisclinicians.org.
It is a national society of cannabis experts and you’ll see that link down in my show notes.
Unless otherwise proven by a reputable third party lab test, please be advised that all street weed is contaminated. It may do grave harm to a patient with a delicate immune system who already has inflammatory issues like arthritis, IBS, fibromyalgia or worse.
Subscribe to the Cannaba Verum podcast and become part of a project to understand the effects of cannabis on the public. Your anecdotal testimony is priceless to me. Medical citations are posted on my podcast blog when you visit CannabaVerum.com. That’s CannabaVerum.com. Hey, and one last thing… Would you take an extra second to give my podcast a Like and Review? It’s like Bitcoin crack for the algorithms. Thanks so much. Hey, I hear the cows calling.
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Sources
Cannaba Verum is Latin for Cannabis Truth. Sourcing factual information about cannabis hasn’t always been easy for a variety of reasons. However now because of modern innovations, it is. My sources are from leaders in cannabis science like:
Roger Adams, U.S. Organic Chemist who isolated the structure of CBD,
Raphael Mechoulam, Israeli Organic Chemist who isolated the structure of THC,
Ethan Russo, Dir R&D International Cannabis and Cannabinoids Institute
Dustin Sulak, DO – my favorite doctor at healer.com, teaching the art of Cannabis Healing to the world, and other industry greats like:
Rev. Dr. Kymron DeCesare, Ed Rosenthal, Jack Herer, Michael Backes, and Michael Pollen and so many more… plus I use classical sites like: PubMed.gov, JAMAnetwork.com, ResearchGate.com. I listen to several daily podcasts to keep up with the latest cannabis news across the nation and throughout the world like: Dr. Codi Peterson et al on The Cannigma Podcast, MJTodayDaily.com and MarijuanaMoment.net. I trust the CBDProject.org and CannabisScienceTech.com. I watch the National Cannabis Industry Association (NCIA) at: thecannabisindustry.org and many more like: NCIA’s Cannabis Industry VOICE (CannabisRadio.com)
Over past episodes of Cannaba Verum, we’ve listened to some amazing scientists and medical professionals talk about their discoveries and patient successes as hundreds of questionable compounds rise to the public grasp. I am especially interested in the pharmacists movement becoming an integral part of this new medicinal choice.
Watch this machine roll into action through conversations with pharmacy doctors all over the nation like Dr. Leah Johnson and Dr. Codi Peterson out West and Dr. Alan Ao up North. There are so many more getting involved now… these are just a few who have come on my show to explain the situation and it’s fascinating.
You’ll find citations available on my podcast blog at cannabaverum.com
PS: Helping society get past the fear of using cannabis will be a lifelong journey for me. This industry is just opening up and most patients and doctors are seriously cannabis naive and need help understanding where to turn for trustworthy information.
If you need help opening that cannabis discussion with your family doctor, please reach out and grab the Dear Doctor Letter I wrote for this exact purpose. It will explain your decision to try cannabis and ask for their help in monitoring your labs and progress. It will also show them where they can find medical research on the subject of your diagnosis and the effects of cannabis.
You’ll find that letter at cannabaverum.com
My specialist in hormonal help: Dr. Genester Wilson-King, M.D. and Founder
Victory Rejuvenation Center – Orlando, Florida
My Neurologist and Cannabis Expert Medical Marijuana Doctor in Melbourne, FL:
Anthony Mazo, M.D.
Brevard Neuro Center
(321) 733-2711
315 E. Nasa Blvd.
Melbourne, FL 32901.
All opinions are my own and should not be mistaken as medical advice.
Here are some other helpful links as well:
(1) Microdosing – https://healer.com/cbd-cannabis-dosage-guide-project-cbd-interview-with-dr-sulak/
(2) Concentrates – https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/29307505/
(3) Cannabis Helps Dementia Podcast – Anchor.FM/cannabishelpsdementia
(4) Society of Cannabis Clinicians – https://www.cannabisclinicians.org/
(5) Take the Pledge – GreenTakeover.com
(6) Handbook for Clinicians – Principles and Practice – https://wwnorton.com/books/9780393714180
(7) Dr. Angie Krause, DVM – BoulderHolisticVet.com
(8) The Cannigma Podcast = https://cannigma.com/podcast/behind-the-scenes-on-cannabis-normalization-with-jm-pedini/
(9) Curious About Cannabis Podcast = https://cacpodcast.com/
(10) The Big Book of Terps by Russ Hudson = thebigbookofterps.com
(11) Learn Sativa University = SativaUniversity.com
Show Notes:
Today you’ll hear a young voice speak of cannabis plant therapy and the help she found in another story in the second volume of Courage In Cannabis by Dr. Bridget Cole Williams, MD.
Helpful Info:
Anthony Mazo, M.D.
Brevard Neuro Center
(321) 733-2711
315 E. Nasa Blvd.
Melbourne, FL 32901.
All opinions are my own and should not be mistaken as medical advice.
Here are some other helpful links as well:
(1) Microdosing – https://healer.com/cbd-cannabis-dosage-guide-project-cbd-interview-with-dr-sulak/
(2) Concentrates – https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/29307505/
(3) Cannabis Helps Dementia Podcast – Anchor.FM/cannabishelpsdementia
(4) Society of Cannabis Clinicians – https://www.cannabisclinicians.org/
(5) Take the Pledge – GreenTakeover.com
(6) Handbook for Clinicians – Principles and Practice – https://wwnorton.com/books/9780393714180
(7) Dr. Angie Krause, DVM – BoulderHolisticVet.com
(8) The Cannigma Podcast = https://cannigma.com/podcast/behind-the-scenes-on-cannabis-normalization-with-jm-pedini/
(9) Curious About Cannabis Podcast = https://cacpodcast.com/
(10) The Big Book of Terps by Russ Hudson = thebigbookofterps.com
(11) Learn Sativa University = SativaUniversity.com
