CT 205 – Dr. Bridget Cole Williams

March 27, 2023

CT 205 - Dr. Bridget Cole Williams


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Honey Smith Walls 0:07

Dr. Bridget Cole Williams is a medical physician in Ohio and owner of Green Harvest Health, a medical cannabis and life coaching integrative clinic.

She is a leader in cannabinoid medicine and education, teaching professionals and patients about the benefits of this live plant therapy and demystifying misconceptions. She is the visionary behind the book Courage In Cannabis, An Anthology Of Inspiring Stories Written By Heroes, and its second volume is coming out as fast as her little fingers can edit. Please welcome Dr. Bridget Cole Williams, right after the Intro…


Honey Smith Walls 0:00

Welcome to Season Four of the Cannaba Verum/Cannabis Truth podcast.

I speak the language of cannabis freely and uncensored while educating my audience on safe use of this live plant therapy. You should know what’s in your cannabis…what’s good and what’s not.

It does not come with an FDA stamp of approval yet. Using cannabis mindfully as medication is a different concept in Western healthcare philosophy, specifically of the past 100 years. There’s a lot to learn and reconsider.

The information you’ll find here comes straight from scientists and clinicians doing the work and reporting their findings in real time through various live online outlets.

The scientific truth of cannabis is finally getting out and is wide open for all to see at respected medical sites like pubmed.gov and JAMA, the Journal of American Medical Association… and I’m right there in the thick of it with all those titans of medicine… as a fly on the wall.

Because I’m not a doctor, nor did I go to med school. But I did take dozens of private cannabis courses and still engage in continuing education offered by cannabis expert scientists over the past few years and slowly began to see and understand the bigger picture.

Now I talk to people all day long about cannabis and hopefully inspire them to research the facts as we know them today. Cannabis is an amazing alternative in health remedies. It can reportedly alleviate typical disease problems and troubling side effects, even those caused by synthetic prescriptions.

This is Honey Smith Walls, a 21st century cannabis shaman, not a doctor, not a scientist, raised by nuns and wolves in the verdant cattle pastures of the Oklahoma oil fields. I’m here to amplify the truth of this great big story of cannabis in historical, political, scientific and spiritual terms, so you can make educated decisions about the medicine you choose to ingest.


Honey Smith Walls 3:02

I was just about to answer you text.

Dr. Bridget 3:18

Yes. No, I don’t know what I did. What before it was telling me to set up my own podcast!

Honey Smith Walls 3:24

Well, there’s a thought. I mean, after all, Dr. Bridget, wouldn’t that be fabulous? You know, if you had another…. More time…

Dr. Bridget 3:34

I know… exactly I used to do the…ohhh what do you call it… I used to do the Clubhouse.

Honey Smith Walls 3:44

Oh, oh, I still do. Yeah, I loved that science tribe on Clubhouse when Dr. Codi Peterson was there and the doctor from Australia… all these doctors from around the world… talking about cannabis. But they all had to give it up you know… I mean, time. Oh god, there’s just no time.

Dr. Bridget 4:04

Oh god, there’s just no time. And then at one point, a station or platform called Relevant actually started paying me to do the same shows on their platform. So I left Clubhouse  and joined this platform… the problem is it was very beta version. The glitches were out of control. Oh dear. And so that was really hard and then after we finished that season, I just stopped and so our plan was to go and do a YouTube insert… you know, all that social media stuff. Yeah, but I’ll be honest… like I’m slow rolling on getting started because…

Honey Smith Walls 4:51

Well, yeah, hello, life.  It really takes a team and most of us are solopreneurs and you know, it’s just been difficult. It’s difficult.

Dr. Bridget 5:09

And I think the hard part is that, particularly when you’re earlier on in the entrepreneurial side of this, that you can create a team but your team is probably even more green than you are. Yeah, so that means that you’re dealing with a lot of glitches on another level. Yeah so the question is growing pains, growing pains. Exactly. And sometimes they… it’s one thing if you’re all kind of glitching together, but sometimes they don’t even know they’re glitching…they don’t realize that they don’t know.

Oh, gosh, yes. And then you’re just like… I’ve been doing this for a while. So I have some expectations. And they’re still kind of oh, this is great. And I’m like, No, this is not at all. So it definitely is, like you said growing pains. But if you want a professional team… That’s money, honey.

Honey Smith Walls 6:22

That’s it. That’s money. But you got to find that team and that experience is still rare. Yeah. At this era and stage of the game. Yeah. Dr. Bridget Cole Williams, thank you so much for joining us. I’m just so honored that you would grace the show. You’ve got several things that we’d love to hear about. Foremost being your project Courage in Cannabis. And this is the second volume I believe… is it out already? I’m not sure.

Dr. Bridget 7:04

No, not yet. Okay. And so I am deep, deep deep in the trenches of editing right now.

Honey Smith Walls 7:12

Oh, God, love you. I don’t know where you find the time. I mean, what else is there to do when you’re in the middle of editing… it’s a marriage.

Dr. Bridget 7:20

It is so much so and I don’t think people really get like it is… because it’s one thing to edit for grammar.

Honey Smith Walls 7:30

Exactly. I was just gonna say same thing. Right. But content.

Dr. Bridget 7:33

Yeah. And these are incredible stories. Incredible stories. And so I want them to be presented so well, you know, and I want people… like sometimes I’m reading and I get tears and I’m like, Okay…  it’s such a journey for the author. And I’m so respectful of that. Yes, as there are times where they get really deep into it. And I can tell they’re hitting a point that they’re getting triggered… if they get triggered and then they’re like, and everything turned out fine…. And I was like no, no, no. Yeah.

Honey Smith Walls 8:11

You have to go back and describe all that…

Dr. Bridget 8:16

Just like you took me this far and then you say everything is great.

Honey Smith Walls 8:21

Yeah, I just fell off the ledge.

Dr. Bridget 8:24

I was like, You can’t do that to me. Right. You know, but really amazing stories and cannabis is so incredibly diverse.

Honey Smith Walls 8:33

Man, isn’t it? It’s just amazing.

Dr. Bridget 8:36

The numbers are so incredible. And you know, people think… even people that know cannabis well…  think they know cannabis until they get into these… Oh my gosh, all over-the-spectrum of stories of health and wellness and trauma and entrepreneurship and education and development because it’s an industry and because it’s the health industry.

You get everything from the patient, the reluctant patient… religion, all the way to the entrepreneur and the business people that found that it saved their financial life and allowed them to be a vehicle to help people… and then you have the people that are helped. And so we really try to keep that level of diversity so that when people are reading, hopefully there’s something for everybody.

Honey Smith Walls 9:43

I already cried with Nikki Lawley, and she sent her love to you by the way. Yeah, wow, what a story.

Dr. Bridget 9:52

And that’s the thing… we’re not just a ‘submit your story and good luck to you’. We are very much a family being a support network… I see it I feel it too…  and I don’t want it any other way.

Honey Smith Walls 10:11

That’s the compassionate part of this industry.

Dr. Bridget 10:14

Yes, I’m sure there are places where you can… and I know there are… there are places where you can drop off your story and see you later. Yeah, but I think it’s just who I am and maybe just being a family doctor that                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        continuity that is so important to me.

Honey Smith Walls 10:34

Won’t you explain to my audience how a family doctor got into cannabis?

Dr. Bridget 10:41

Hahahaha… Um, wow. Geez. So I think initially I was probably as reluctant if not more reluctant than anybody else. And I grew up with very negative ideas about cannabis. And if when in your medical training, they don’t teach anything good about it. Nothing new. So I was a…gosh… I was a psych major undergrad, so very much interested in people and how they can behave and develop right? Yeah, yeah. And then once I got into working as a family doctor, I will tell you, I probably got frustrated a little bit too early in my career (oh, by the system?) by the system… by the bureaucracy… by the fact that for all of my education and background and the work that I put into it, I really ended up with a factory job.

Oh, there I was… where every 15 minutes… diagnosis pill… diagnosis pill… Here’s another pill… you have side effects? we add one more. Next patient. (Oh my god. Thank you for helping us see that that way. Oh my gosh.) And I was like, who signed up for this? Yeah. And so I was frustrated with that. And, and I really wanted this idea of curating treatment, very specific to individuals that I knew well. Yeah.

And that was not what was happening and my patients were frustrated. And I think you know, I’m just on the cusp of a time where doctors knew their patients well, right. And all their lives, but then patients knew their doctors well, exactly. And I’m just on the outside of that cusp.

And I think that was what I was searching for and wanted and my patients wanted. And so a better relationship, right? Like we’re doing this together. Right? And so I really had one patient that… I actually started taking patients on my lunch hour, and at the end of the da. And if they said I don’t want to do all these pills, I want to do this differently… Then I said, Okay, you know, I spent time with them. I’m just trying to understand them. How did they get here? What did this illness mean to them.

Honey Smith Walls 13:06

Were you interested in any other plant? Therapies before this time before you got into cannabis? Or was cannabis, your entry point to Plant Therapy?

Dr. Bridget 13:18

That was my entry. Well, I knew of some herbal discussions and you know, yeah, that’s not Western medical care. No, not and but I honestly said You know, I didn’t know a lot about it, but I never discouraged anybody. But I had one patient, she was a breast cancer survivor, she was a new diabetic, very frustrated, did not want to do all these pills. Oh dear. And so we’re in the midst of learning how to help her… motivational interviewing and changing and life change, right. And in the course of it, she mentioned Well, what about cannabis? And I was like, come on, what are we… so….

Honey Smith Walls 13:58

Oh, our attitudes get us, don’t they?

Dr. Bridget 14:01

Right. And so I said well, um, let’s let me research this for you. So here I was thinking I’m gonna look up all this stuff because she was you know, she wanted her information to we were definitely in a partnership and her health. And so I was like, let me pull some information. So I can kind of straighten her out… right?

Dr. Bridget 14:26

And so then I start looking stuff up and I’m like, Oh, they’re like PubMed like research articles. Yeah. Oh, wait, there’s like, and I knew like this was…

Honey Smith Walls 14:40

oh, I’m losing you.

Dr. Bridget 14:43

Here. Are you there?

Honey Smith Walls 14:45

I got you back. Okay. You started to say it was PubMed. Like, whoa. And so this

Dr. Bridget 14:49

was at a time where, you know, I figured, you know, I know there was stuff going on in other parts of the country, but I was not aware of it. Any of this so when I started looking this up, I was blown away, blown away. And I was like, this is like, people are seeing this as medicine. There’s research that’s supporting this. What is going on? Because I knew nothing about it. And why did I know anything about it? Right? Yeah, yeah, and so I believed in her a lot and her journey and I said, Okay, let’s do this.

And so she started making edibles and smoking. And I was looking at titration and dosing and how do we, you know, pull this together and I saw her health change in a way that never… I wouldn’t have gotten those same results just with medication by any means, right? Because it was improving her sleep her stress she was performing better at work, let alone helping with her blood sugar’s… Yes, right. So am I was taking out she was starting to lose weight and she was more active energy, all of it right. And so I was taking her off of her other medications. She was doing incredibly well. And that was how I got here pretty much you know? Yeah.

Honey Smith Walls 16:09

Wow that’s so great. And I notice that you… I hope I’m correct. Green Harvest Health?

Dr. Bridget 16:16

Right. So that is my… I so want to fast forward 15 or plus more years. And when the cannabis industry came to Ohio, I figured Oh, let me kind of dig out, you know, my old interest and work at a card company. And I ended up you know, connecting with them. And when I said Oh, treatment plans, and this was what I did years ago and they were like No, no, no. No, we are cards for cash. We don’t care about any of that. And I was like, You know what, all of that frustration. It is time for me to do something different.

So I got educated as a cannabis educator and a life coach and Green Harvest Health.

Honey Smith Walls 17:08

And yeah, and you’re coaching more than life. I mean, you’re coaching medical professionals, on how to be better doctors in this world.

Dr. Bridget 17:15

I hope so.

Honey Smith Walls 17:16

That’s what it looks like to me.

Dr. Bridget 17:19

Yeah, I just started deciding that I took those patients that were on a journey With me years ago that were coming in on my lunch hour and at the end of the day, and I said how can I really develop the type of practice that reflects what they’ve always wanted? You know, yeah, real fat practice around cannabis. Yeah. And we continue to grow.

Honey Smith Walls 17:44

You are a clinicians’ coach and you are changing the medical system. Girl Good on you. Good on you. I’m so proud of you. Honestly, there’s… I’ve been whining about this for years… the medical system and how they bring up our doctors and how unfair and unorthodox it all seems, and the craziness of it, and the stress that they put on medical professionals. Then like you said, you just came out to be a I can’t even remember the term you’ve called it was so cute. meat grinder but not that oh, the factory.

Dr. Bridget 18:20

I did. I worked on the factory line. And yeah, and so then to be able to provide something in the cannabis space that really reflects and honors the people that I started my career with.

Honey Smith Walls 18:37

It is honorable. That is such a well deserved term for your company. It is honorable and I’m just thrilled to see leaders like you doing this. It’s all grass roots really. I mean, you’re writing the book on how to…

Dr. Bridget 19:04

Well, I hope so because my frustration is that but coming into this like I’ll be honest… I just done what I thought was supposed to be done to be totally honest with you. And then to get into the space and see these companies, typically on by business people so I get it, you know, sure, but they are not about health care. They’re about cards for cash. Right and there are physicians that don’t even care to know more or don’t even believe this is a great option. And are literally just doing it because their MD allows them to do it and they get paid for it is despicable too. Yeah. And this should be physicians that are interested in entering into a new realm of medicine who take it seriously. They take the patient seriously, and are willing to be real physicians in the space and experts in this therapy.

Honey Smith Walls 20:04

Yeah, that’s why I love the Society of Cannabis Clinicians so much because they’re  exactly what you explained. They’re serious professionals educating themselves on this in spite of the stupid legislation. Yeah, and understanding that the human being is more important than the ideas of a legislator who knows nothing about it.

Dr. Bridget 20:34

Absolutely. Absolutely. So yes, absolutely. So yeah, and then to get into the space and be able to help people who really brought Courage In Cannabis about, the stories I write and the first patients that I started giving cards to… I remember this big burly truck driver guy. And I’m thinking here I go and helping people… giving them their cards, you know, and when I handed over the card to him, he starts tearing up. And he… he waves the card at me… and he says, I am taking this home and I’m showing my 10 year old son, that I’m not a pothead… that I’m a patient.

Honey Smith Walls 21:27

Oh God, the trauma behind all of that.

Dr. Bridget 21:30

And I was like, Holy crap, like what? No one’s talking about this No. And here I was in a space where everyone’s talking about access and growing and prices and licenses and you know, I learned all the new terminology and being vertical and MSO all this stuff.

Yeah, talking about these patients rights… I had a woman that said, I’m taking this and I’m going back to church, because I can tell them I’m a real patient. And these are the stories that led me here… I started writing them down myself. And I was going to… I had someone that was interested in publishing it. And then my heart said, This isn’t right. It doesn’t feel right, you know? Yeah. And I felt like I was taking something away from these people by Oh, you know…

So then COVID happened. Yeah. So I just sat on it. I just kind of said, Okay, I’ll get it done, you know, whatever. And I learned about anthologies which are very popular, I think more in the south. And I joined one, and I wrote my story in an anthology. And this is what I model after my mentor… and I was in one of her books… and so a lot of what I do is modeled after what she was doing.

Honey Smith Walls 23:02

Dawn Lieck

Dr. Bridget 23:06

She’s a part of the book. She’s part of all my books. Okay. She’s remains my mentor and a part of what we do. And she also trusted me because here I was this doctor talking about cannabis and pretty much a Christian spiritual life coaching type. Yeah, yeah. Here I came and said, Can I mix this up a little bit? She trusted me and she remains a mentor and a good friend. And so I after I did her book, I was like, this is what I need to do, and I need your help doing it. And so we created the first Courage In Cannabis and now we’re working on the second one.

Honey Smith Walls 23:59

Oh, she’s your partner…

Dr. Bridget 24:02

She’s not my partner. She’s but I bring her on as a mentor. When things get crazy, I call her and she’s like, Yep.

Honey Smith Walls 24:13

I see. Yes. Okay. Well, I have a friend like that. And they are treasures, indeed. So yeah, it takes a real thought leader. Yeah, it does. You mentioned learning about the Vertical Corporation thing.. is that the way it is in Ohio… That’s how it is down here in Florida.

Dr. Bridget 24:41

Yes, absolutely. So I think yours is even a little bit more strict as far as being vertical.

Honey Smith Walls 24:52

Well they just capped how much THC a patient can have, like they know a frickin thing about it.

Dr. Bridget 25:01

Exactly. But yeah, so it ends up being you know, a whole nother industry. You have to learn the terminology and everything else that goes with it.

Honey Smith Walls 25:12

It’s a 6 million dollars from your pocket to start up a Vertical Corporation here in Florida.

Dr. Bridget 25:17

And that’s the point… that my concern is that as the states… and as you know, everyone’s very fascinated by the license holders and what have you, but my concern is that the patient gets lost. Yeah, that is a big thing for me. And even though our books are… at least the first two are general books, I have stories, you know, across the map, as far as what cannabis is about.

I’m very much focused on the patient’s story not getting lost. And as we move forward with the series, we’ll do even more themed books. So they will focus on Courage In Cannabis nurses or, you know, I’m even concerned about the legacy stories not getting lost. Because we walk around and have people making millions of dollars in this industry and not be mindful of the people that spend time in jail.  And when I say legacy, I’m not just talking about the people that were selling and you know, that’s one thing, but the legacy growers. Yes. Because we are basically rebuilding that whole industry.

Honey Smith Walls 26:26

Based on their backs… on their backs. Absolutely. And we wouldn’t have been here without them. I mean, they they started it. The farmers really saved cannabis for the world.

Dr. Bridget 26:41

Yeah, and I don’t want to lose those people and those stories because as you know, history will repeat itself. Yeah. We’re coming out of a prohibition and words and if we’re not conscious of the stories that have happened, we will do it again.

Honey Smith Walls 27:00

Right, yeah, we will do it again. If we’re not, if we’re not aware, if we’re not conscious. So that’s, that’s all part of a new meditation for me becoming more aware, becoming more conscious and leaving past and future where they belong. Yes. And those scary stories in my thoughts, leaving those alone, and concentrating on now to get something done.

Dr. Bridget 27:31

Yeah, yeah, absolutely. Absolutely.

Honey Smith Walls 27:35

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Dr. Bridget 27:45


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Dr. Bridget 29:44

My biggest message is that physicians are leaders in our society… we were not only the clinician but we were the family support. We were the mayor’s… we were a focal center…. a center of support in communities.

And we’ve lost some of that for a lot of reasons… and so what I really do is listen to the patient. I do not fall for the easy road of diagnosis/pill and the pharmaceutical route, because we should really be leading our patients down a much more diverse approach to wellness and cannabis is an option for everybody.

So I don’t try to even suggest that. But even the fact talking about meditation or herbal medicine now… options… or look, I feel like it’s on the backburner when it comes to our current medical makeup and so the fact of the matter is patients are leaving traditional medicine in droves. Physicians are leaving in droves. Nurses are leaving in droves. We have the ability to change this. We have the ability to be the leaders in our own profession.

Honey Smith Walls 31:16

Yeah. And they’re following in a very very old system that isn’t working anymore.

Dr. Bridget 31:25

And we’ve become the sheep instead of the leader.

Honey Smith Walls 31:30

Say what would be your biggest message to the patients…

Dr. Bridget 31:34

Have a voice. You know, if my patients went along with the program? Who knows I might still be doing diagnosis/pill. I doubt it but who knows? But they were frustrated and I was frustrated and it created this. I said let’s do something different.

And so… do not accept the status quo. There are physicians that are wanting patients that want to be more open minded… more diverse, more inclusive. Find those physicians… have a voice… share that you’re using cannabis and whatever other herbal or Eastern medicine approaches that you might be using and don’t feel dismissed. Educate your doctor. You know, 60% of physicians, I think learn about cannabis from their patients. So talk and share, talk and share.

Honey Smith Walls 32:31

Yeah, and have responsibility in your own health care. Mm hmm.

Dr. Bridget 32:35


Honey Smith Walls 32:36

I really grew up believing that if I had a sniffle I went to the doctor and the doctor told me what was wrong with me and prescribed the pill… period. I don’t mess in that. I don’t do any of that. That’s his job. Yeah. And then I became an old woman and realize Holy crap, none of that stuff is working for me. And I just felt awful. And so I began seeking… and then I began talking to my primary care physician about the things that I found… your right. When patients have a voice with their doctors… it eliminates a lot.

Dr. Bridget 33:15

See what I mean? If I hadn’t had the one patient that said, What about cannabis? Yeah, well, I like I said, I hit my biases, of course at the time. So what if we didn’t have that conversation? Right? Yeah. Yeah, so share and educate and don’t be, don’t let anyone minimize your journey. You know, because it’s your journey.

Honey Smith Walls 33:40

That’s right. And healthcare is so different for every single person. It’s so unique. So, you know, it’s easy to fall into this category and the system and certain kind of synthetic prescriptive pill for this or that or the other but our poor bodies are already a system of communication that we’re not even hardly privy to.

Dr. Bridget 34:11

Yes. Yeah. And that’s the thing, like we learned so much over time, every day. You know, we are using only a small, small portion of our brain. And that we’re literally just in a journey of our own health care for all of us.

You know researchers determine what’s right for you. The one thing that I’ve learned with my patients is that I don’t just say hey, your numbers are bad, because that’s basically what it comes down to… then I’m treating the numbers and numbers are bad. Take this pill.

If you don’t even buy into the fact that there’s a reason why that number being bad is an issue. Why would you take the pill, right? Well, we have to develop what does wellness mean to you? And most likely, it is not some number being so many percentages off, that motivates you. And we really need to change how we approach healthcare based on how you see wellness as the patient. Not how I see numbers as the physician, right?

It needs to be more patient centered. Yeah. And no, not every illness has symptoms that you might want to improve, right? Like a lot of people obviously, Hypertension is first and foremost. And most people never even know they have it until they have a stroke or something horrible, right? Right. So it’s not what do we do? We focus on the numbers, but there’s a way of communicating this with a patient that will make those numbers important to them. And I don’t think we want that. We simply say up your numbers are bad. Take this. If you don’t take it, you might have a stroke and then you’re supposed to take it but we need more time.

Honey Smith Walls 35:59

Well, I’ve certainly gotten a better education hanging out with the science tribe on LinkedIn than in any school endeavor I’ve ever had in my lifetime. And it has been thrilling that this is open to the public because most medicine, you know, and medical care and all of that is closed.

Dr. Bridget 36:24

Well, that’s interesting to me. Um, so in traditional medicine, they tell you just enough to scare you to the pill to make you come back for your next appointment, hopefully. And so you’re just getting enough information to stay in the circle. What should be happening with cannabinoid medicine is that I’m empowering you. So that with every appointment, you’re learning just enough to be able to do more for yourself to be able to manage this and so that I then become the mentor and the guide as opposed to the gatekeeper. That’s what I believe cannabinoid medicine is about.

Honey Smith Walls 37:12

Awww I love that vision. I really do. I think people can learn to become their own alchemists. You know, it’s not that difficult, but you gotta learn fundamentals. Oh, absolutely. And gotta understand how to titrate and microdose you basically, then you start trying after you’ve done your research… and know that your product has a COA attached to it.

Dr. Bridget 37:48

Right. Oh, gee, no, I think that’s what it’s about because there are some adverse reactions and some pitfalls of cannabis. Don’t get me wrong.

Honey Smith Walls 38:00

Yeah, Warfarin and CBD. Yeah.

Dr. Bridget 38:04

Yeah, absolutely. But there is also enough freedom and safety in it for people to be empowered. Right. And so where there’s some pharmaceuticals, God forbid, you would never suggest that.

Honey Smith Walls 38:20

Hey, have you heard… speaking of pharmaceuticals… Have you heard of beta caryophyllene and all the amazing effects that it has on the body?

Dr. Bridget 38:30

I have a patient today that I sent a whole thing over to her about this. She needs to focus on data carefully, and I think it’s amazing.

Honey Smith Walls 38:40

It’s amazing. I just went to a lecture the other day, at #CannabisPublicSchool on #LinkedIn, you know, and Dr. Phillips Blair, I think is his name, gave the most fascinating hour long lecture about beta caryophyllene. And I just couldn’t learn enough. It was already FDA approved and everything…. It’s in practically all that we already eat and drink and, you know, so safe… has such a wide spectrum of safety and you it’s just the variety of issues that it really helps.

Dr. Bridget 39:13

And honestly, isn’t this what our traditional pharmacy pharmacists, this was what they were doing. They were mixing up stuff in the back and making creams and potions and who knows what… right? Our alchemists? Yes, absolutely right. And cannabis was one of those plants that they were utilizing at that time. And so we’ve gotten so far from that because of the synthetic era. Yeah. And I don’t have a problem… Well, I’m hesitating.

I don’t have a problem with the pharmaceutical industry taking on cannabis as an ingredient or what have you, and their medications that they create…

Honey Smith Walls 40:03

With a lot of caveats to that…

Dr. Bridget 40:05

Yeah. Like, you know, it was in the US Pharmacopoeia. It was something that really realized as long as it’s done responsibly, and less synthetically, and what have you, but I think it needs to not just go down the path that we did before.

Honey Smith Walls 40:25

Yeah, I’m sorry. The legislation has screwed the progress of cannabis for patients across the United States like it has, because as you said, it did used to be in the Pharmacopoeia until 1937, I think. And then corruption is what took it out of the Pharmacopoeia and so it’s been corruption that has prevented cannabis from coming back until of late and now that we are able to overcome that issue. More and more. Eventually, we’ll manage some sort of system across the United States that will make it reciprocal like any other medication. Uh huh. Yeah, but I’m really concerned about recreation coming into Florida. And overwhelming all these old farts, all the snowbirds that come from all over the place and they won’t know anything about it and they’ll forego the the double back somersault of getting a medical card and drive to a bar and have a completely overwhelming experience.

Dr. Bridget 41:34

Absolutely. No, they’ll miss the point… that bothers me completely… no issue with adult use…

Honey Smith Walls 41:40

And no… me either. No.

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Dr. Bridget 42:58

It’s a fascinating plant that you can safely use medicinally and recreationally. I wish all world powers would. Right That’s amazing. Right and so real patients that are sick patients that need help and guidance and information….and even I’ve had patients that have been in dispensaries where they buy whatever they get… they try… it works.

Maybe it’s okay but what helped… and then, but not satisfied. Yeah. And then coming to me and then I start fine tuning terpenes and timing. Modality.

Yep, I had, oh my gosh, I can see this guy’s face… in my office… He was a farmer. He came with the cowboy hat and the boots and the whole deal and you know, I gave him my suggestions… when he came back I was like… this guy… he’s walking in the door… I had that feeling of… that did not work, you know… I was like thinking about the next thing I was I gonna tell him and he was like… This is the least amount of pain I’ve had in years!

Honey Smith Walls 44:06

Oh, what a surprise!

Dr. Bridget 44:08

Yes…And he was like… you don’t charge enough! This is like… you don’t get… he was like….  I’ve been using and see people just assume oh if you use THC, you’re done. No, it is so much more and it’s only gonna get more complex minded. You’re right.

Honey Smith Walls 44:29

Once we get these other cannabinoids coming up and what they’re doing… we don’t even know half of them.

Dr. Bridget 44:33

Yeah, we don’t even know. Right? And so people think oh, well if you are doing what I do, and it’s so like, no there’s so much more to it and we’re just at the beginning of it.

So I don’t want to lose that. And that’s part of what when you’re talking about the states and becoming recreational. And when I’ve talked to… I’m originally from Michigan and I talked to a lot of patients that are already. Yeah, absolutely.

So you know, find out what they’re doing up there. And what I’m told, actually, you know, one of the people that are in the book, they say when adult use comes in, the stories start to disappear. And, so that really hit me because I was like okay, I get it.

So once everyone can just go and pick up whatever. Once that happens, then people aren’t talking about pointers… how that helped. But patient’s start to kind of fall to the wayside.

Honey Smith Walls 45:35

People think that they get the high they’re chasing is gonna make them well and it’s not. It’s never. It’s never. It’s never. Yeah, especially for an elder… if you’re high… Well, if you’re a medical patient, you don’t want to be high. You’re wanting to have less brain fog. Absolutely. And you’re worried about falling and everybody knows that THC is going to make you woozy and are so absolutely terrified of it.

Dr. Bridget 46:07

Many elderly people do not understand that you can use cannabis and never be high… and never get high.

Honey Smith Walls 46:14

They have no idea THCA has beta caryophyllene (BCP) you know, there’s just so many ways to balance THC. Or you know, oh my goodness, there’s, well, you and I know and my audience knows there’s a lot to learn and my audience is pretty savvy. I preach COAs to them all the time and they know what that means.

Dr. Bridget 46:40

A really good example of this… I can feel I’m gonna get mad again… I’m gonna take it slow. Okay. But I was actually talking to someone in New York that was a journalist and she was very naive about CBD and THC, the whole gamut, very naive.

And we had a really great conversation about it. And she was like, you know, I walked into a store and I was just trying to understand what was going on and it was overwhelming. And the store clerk handed me a sample of CBD. And I was like, Okay, well, and she says, but I haven’t taken it. I don’t know what to do.

And I was like, You know what, just send me a picture of it. I’ll just look at it. I’ll tell you if you should take a half dose or full dose or whatever. Yeah. She sends me the picture I’m looking at… it says full spectrum on it.

So I’m like okay, full spectrum CBD gummy. Okay, got it. But you know, I look at the back. I don’t see that anywhere. I don’t see the word CBD or THC. I don’t see any of that. Right. So they’re lab tested. Gotta be good. Sounds good. Let me get the QR code. And check out the lab.

No, CBD. Oh, it was a Delta 8 Gummy. It was a very small packet. It was 500 milligrams in there. I’m assuming there must have been five in there and they’re each 100 milligrams each which is a lot.

Honey Smith Walls 48:08


Dr. Bridget 48:12

I was so infuriated. I’m texting her like crazy. Like have you taken it? I hope you haven’t. Because here’s someone that’ll never ever come back. No, never. Right? I was infuriated about the lack of responsibility. Yeah. And this is what worries me and she’s not a senior. She’s not an elderly person.

So you can imagine this is what the fears are… this is what can happen to someone at any age. Knowing what they’re getting ready to do. I had to dig to get that information. There was nothing on the label that said Delta 8 like it said full spectrum and I don’t know why. Because of the lab testing… there was one thing in it… Delta 8 (Thc), there was nothing else. And I was infuriated.

Honey Smith Walls 49:04

Well we gotta get better at this. You know, our legislators have to smarten up… they’ve got to stop these garage labs, putting out this Delta 8 and being sold in every gas station and dollar store. Please friends… I know my audience knows this, but I’m gonna say it again because it’s my soapbox. Don’t buy your stuff at the dollar store or the gas station.

Dr. Bridget 49:29

Yes buy from responsible people who have your wellness in mind.

Honey Smith Walls 49:41

Yes, because they will prove they will prove their product is worthy of your money, time and effort to learn about it. And they want your repeat business but they’re more concerned about your health. Yes, that’s what a good company is. That’s a good company.

And so you have to not only be your own Alchemist, but you have to vet your companies because this is the wild wild west of cannabis. It just is. It just is… no matter where you’re from. And of course there’s rarely any reciprocation between states.

I just found out that Florida does have a reciprocal card for snowbirds, but it’s only for six months. And you’ve got to prove that you have ownership of property down here in Florida and you’d have to ask special permission and go through more doubleback somersaults so I’m sure there are zero number of snowbirds who know this information. Absolutely can’t advertise. Right.

Dr. Bridget 50:49

Right. Absolutely. And so I understand wanting some control of their parameters, but I don’t know if we’re really going about this the right way. Right. Because I understand lack of promotion. But we should not be creating a lack of education. Correct like from that story just shared. There should be public service announcements about how to… so because you have educated people, a lot of these crappy places are gonna have to go away because hopefully you’re not gonna buy from them. Right. Right. And so we need doctors that when it’s time to renew your license, sometimes you’d have to complete like a video or small test for CME before they will renew your license. Needs to be cannabis next time. Yeah, cannabis.

Honey Smith Walls 51:48

In Florida, they only had to take a four hour course in Florida laws of cannabis but those are just to recommend.

Dr. Bridget 51:56

You don’t have to be knowledgeable enough to recommend it. But every physician needs to be knowledgeable enough to understand who that someone might need to see a specialist. Right? Yeah, yeah. So everyone doesn’t need to be the specialist. You know, I am not a neurologist. Right. But I know when someone needs one.

Honey Smith Walls 52:18

And don’t you think it’s important that all medical professionals should understand a little something about the ECS?

Dr. Bridget 52:26

Oh, just a touch…. first because like we’re talking about really, they’re saying that this is the most monumental discovery of I guess the 20th century.

Honey Smith Walls 52:39

The endocannabinoid system of receptors. ECS.

Dr. Bridget 52:44

How do you not… and I think for a lot of doctors, they think oh, this is just some old hogwash. No, it’s a real part of your body like why… and why or why do we not… this? This shouldn’t be kind of like in the shadows.

Honey Smith Walls 53:00

Masked? Yeah, at all. It’s a major regulatory system in your body, and hardly 1% of the doctors in the US know anything about it. That’s ridiculous. I just made that number up. But yeah, that’s what it’s like.

Dr. Bridget 53:18

Yeah, absolutely. Know that. That’s not acceptable.

Honey Smith Walls 53:20

That’s not acceptable. Right. The prescriptions just aren’t working quite well for society and we need a hand. Absolutely.

Dr. Bridget 53:28

And why is this acceptable? Any other new discovery is plastered on every new interesting research article… even before it’s proven, it’s plastered everywhere, right? How do we not have this plastered everywhere… is something that we all need to be understanding, accepting, digging more into, it’s not there.

Honey Smith Walls 53:53

It’s not there. There are few schools opening up though… Dr. Alan Ao is always talking about and Dr. Leah Johnson,PhmD  are talking about the Baltimore School of Pharmacy up there and how they’re just popping out these masters in cannabinoid ology now and so that’s really exciting.

Dr. Bridget 54:14

That is very exciting. I feel like pharmacologists saw the benefit and the potential of what could be happening. I think… I feel like nurses were much more open to the possibility and realize that when you’re having that one on one patient care, and they’re saying none of this works… they have compassion and they’re willing to consider something else. There it is. So it’s embarrassing. I’ll be honest, it’s embarrassing. Why why is the medical community so slow and taking this on?

Honey Smith Walls 54:52

Good ole boy system… that’s all there is to it. Is an old system.

Dr. Bridget 54:57

Or have we just simply been bought?

Honey Smith Walls 55:01

Oh well….

Dr. Bridget 55:05

Oh yeah. You know, that. Yeah, right. You know I say that because people always think oh, my gosh, you’re a doctor. You get all these kickbacks from farms. I get kickbacks.

I know there was a time that happened. And I’ve been a physician for a couple decades. We’ll just leave it at that. Okay. So that was not a part of my experience. I was on the edge where the relationship between the pharmaceutical companies and physicians were huge. A chasm was building when I was getting into practice, right. And so I saw some of it for people that I knew that were just a couple years older than me, but by the time I was practicing, and I just turned 50… that was not something that was acceptable, right? Yeah. But people still have this idea that physicians are being bought by pharmaceutical companies, which I would say unless they’re doing something pretty shady, that is not the case.

Honey Smith Walls 56:13

Okay that’s good to hear though from you, really…

Dr. Bridget 56:17

Well it’s a medicine, urban myth… because there’s a history there. I think yeah. And that, if I’m 50, then it’s been a minute, you know, yeah, that’s been something that was acceptable. And so, the whole idea that, you know, physicians are somehow holding back on this I don’t know what it is. I don’t know. I don’t think it’s the physician. I think we need to take some responsibility not to be the sheep.

But I feel like our commanding voices somehow might have a bad relationship with the pharmaceutical companies. I think our organizations that roll out what is our set of practices that we should be performing… I think they might have a bad relationship. That’s just me. I’m sure there’s probably gonna be FBI knocking on my door any second. You’ll never hear from me again. This was twice you know.

Honey Smith Walls 57:28

Snicker. Oh, gosh. Yeah. But hopefully they won’t be coming after you.

Dr. Bridget 57:32

Hopefully not right. So, but that’s kind of what goes through my head and I guess I never really bought into it…  I never bought into it well enough.

Honey Smith Walls 57:47

My particular general practitioner and his darling wife, I love them. They, I’ve been with them for 10 years or more. And they just know me and love me and know what I’m doing and they listen with interest every time but they ain’t touching it. You know, it’s like, oh… go talk about all that stuff someplace else. That’s the feeling I get there, that same kind of doctor that takes a patient every 15 minutes.

Dr. Bridget 58:24

I think part of it… some people do that 15 minute carousel probably much better than I ever did.

Honey Smith Walls 58:33

I think they’re stuck in it. Yeah. You know, I think financially they’re stuck in that and don’t know how to get out of that because of the school debt and the life that you know, they have to have to exist as a doctor.

My neurologist once told me that he… maybe I shouldn’t say this. That he hated his life. Not Not, not his life with his family, but his life in his business because it was so wretched. It was because he was complaining about a patient every so many minutes and you know, popping them out. And you know what happened? There’s a happy ending to the story. I want to say it because I love him and, and he’s such a great friend and a great doctor. And a great mentor.

But there was a happy ending because his patients were outliving their prognoses. And it was because of cannabis. And he began getting into cannabis and learned about and became the first doctor here in Melbourne to understand it, and begin recommending it.

Wow. Yeah. So now when I go see him for my old lady neuropathy issues, he doesn’t prescribe the usual prescriptions. He broke out. Yeah, he did. And now he tells me to do a specific thing in a specific way and get a specific product and use it in this way or that way or whatever. They found joy.

Dr. Bridget 1:00:05

Yeah and that’s really honestly my story as well then. You know, I was…  I will tell you so many physicians I know are exactly what you described… that they’re really unhappy and they’re stuck. And they’re overwhelmed. And nobody’s really coming in to save the day, I guess. And the problem is that you have to save yourself in this industry.

Until we figure out a way to help one another. We should be unionized. We should be… and I know union can be a very dicey word. No kidding.

But keep in mind, there are parts of the health care system that are… I wouldn’t say unionized, but they are outsourced… so like when you go to an emergency room… They rarely are employees of a hospital. They’re an organized group that the hospital orders a contract with.

I’m not saying this is everywhere, but it’s a lot of places. And so the physicians of this org, this company, this group, have the protection of the company that contracts with the hospital.

Oh, wow. So they’re not going to be overworked… they’re like if anything comes up the company is going to protect them… because if they want to keep their doctors, right, wow, that goes with radiologists. They’re typically companies that are not everywhere, so don’t hate me, whoever wherever you are,  but they contract with the hospital. So then go to the fact that now you work directly for the hospital. When you work directly for the hospital, who’s protecting you?

Honey Smith Walls 1:01:53

Wondering how long you think it’s going to be before hospitals and nursing homes will accept cannabis therapy for their patients?

Dr. Bridget 1:02:10

That is my dream…like that we have Bloodless Medicine teams and hospitals for patients that refuse transfusions… they typically are like Jehovah Witnesses… that kind of thing.

Oh, but if you have surgery, they bring the Bloodless Medicine team. They create a regimen for them and different things to up their red blood cell count so that they can then go and have surgery and come out and do well.

Okay, I envision that there will be cannabis teams… can admin teams… and whether it’s the physician or the patient that when requested… and they come down… they assess the disorder what’s going on, they make the recommendations so that the patient now has a cannabinoid recommendation that they could then use for their medicine and you know, just like anything else… this team would involve doctors and nurses and pharmacists and they all kind of work together to create fantastical regimens that help you.

The requests might be for an alternative… an add on to what they’re already taking. There might be a way to help with addiction issues. As far as opioids, I mean, there’s so many requests, obviously the obvious things like pain and what have you but then come in… do a regimen… and provide it and follow up with the patient just like every other specialty.

Honey Smith Walls 1:03:45

Well, that just sounds wonderful. It’s all gonna have to be mandated from the top down though.

Dr. Bridget 1:03:50


Honey Smith Walls 1:03:52

I guess. And that’s gonna take some time. Yeah.

Dr. Bridget 1:03:56

It would take obviously federal legalization. Let’s start there.

Honey Smith Walls 1:04:01

Yeah. And that can’t happen until several different pacts between various countries have been renegotiated because those countries aren’t willing to flip their laws. Yeah. Well, so it’s a whole global mess.

Dr. Bridget 1:04:22

And I think it will be… it’s not that I’m going to be suggesting you know, Northern Lights made by whatever, grown by whatever MSO. Unfortunately, I think if that was going on in the hospital, it’s going to be synthetics. It’s going to be the pharmaceutical companies. It’s going to be Epidiolex and all that…

Honey Smith Walls 1:04:46

Yeah, yeah.

Dr. Bridget 1:04:50

Yeah.  Epidiolex, if I’m not mistaken, is plant based. But it’s pharmaceutical company development, right. And so the approach is a little bit different,

Honey Smith Walls 1:05:01

And it’s only over in England right now.?

Dr. Bridget 1:05:04

It’s here. Epidiolex is here.  There’s a couple other ones that are only in the UK or other. Marinol is here. Marinol is here. That’s the synthetic and I know when I was working in hospitals one night with great naivety… I had prescribed Marinol.

Yeah, that was a clear understanding of what THC did at the time. Oh, oh my gosh, I will never forget that because of that woman who had cancer… and she wasn’t eating and she was sick.

I was a first or second year resident and so I look it up and I’m like, Oh, this miracle thing will help you eat. So I prescribe it and come back and come back the next day. And everyone’s laughing because they’re like, oh my god, that lady was so high and but she ate… and I was like, oh my god, is the family mad? You know, I was so worried. Yeah. And they’re like, Oh my God. No, they enjoyed every minute of it.

Honey Smith Walls 1:06:02

Oh I’m so glad they probably really enjoyed her happiness.

Dr. Bridget 1:06:05

Yes. But I just didn’t really have a concept and what did I do? I wrote the suggested dosage right. Not having an understanding of like tolerance and exposure and you know, those type of things.

Honey Smith Walls 1:06:22

Well, that matters. Yeah, if you’re a newbie and you’ve never had cannabis in your system all your life, you know, you may need some priming before you get there. A little not. Yeah, or not.

Dr. Bridget 1:06:38

And, you know, for all I know, she might have had past experiences and she might have been an old hippie and she might have loved every second of it. Oh, yeah. Because, you know, no negative feedback on that one, but yes, I was a little… I was a little shocked.  wasn’t sure what was going on there.

Honey Smith Walls 1:06:56

Well, it’s good.

Dr. Bridget 1:07:03

I was brand new out the box, so I was still… in the box. I think I might… I was a resident. Yeah.

Honey Smith Walls 1:07:16

So I bet her family is telling that story for all time. And I’m sure they love every minute of it, too. Yeah. You mentioned that you’ve written more than one book…

Dr. Bridget 1:07:34

So I’m in a book where I tell my experience of how cannabis saved me as a clinician, right? Yes. And how I dealt with the difficulties of being in the American Health System and being a black woman and the racism and the sexism and really, you know, I’m a psych major…  my dad had colon cancer and I thought I could save the world by going into medicine and making a difference.

That is a different type of person than the person that what is. I went to the system wanting to change it from day one. Wow, that is a different person than the person that accepts the client system as it is completely. Yes. Yeah.

It was always a square peg, trying to fit into a round hole in the medical community and I’m tired of being on the factory line and dealing with the racism and the sexism and just being the odd ball… really weighed heavy on me.

And so when this one patient mentions cannabis, and I saw how it changed her life, and then you know, fast forward to be doing this and creating a brand new career in medicine, but not nearly as much as it saved me… because I was literally leaving Madison. I was like enough of this. Wow. Yeah, I was looking into you know, like I said, my first love was always psychology. So I was looking at PhD programs. Yeah, and this saved me from abandoning something I worked hard for that I really love. Yeah, really love.

Honey Smith Walls 1:09:25

Do we believe that all women go through trauma through medical school? Is there any is there a woman that comes out of medical school without trauma? From all the things that you mentioned?

Dr. Bridget 1:09:40

You know, I would be, it would be hard for me to say that you don’t have. I’m sure there is someone that kind of learned how to jump through the hoops perfectly. But otherwise, I can’t imagine.

Honey Smith Walls 1:09:58

It’s so interesting to me that you always wanted to change the system because it’s obvious that you are changing the system and it needs it. Yeah. It desperately needs changing. So what a godsend you are and I know that the relationships that you have with your clients and those other clinicians is so special.

Dr. Bridget 1:10:19

Well, I you know, I appreciate that because what I wanted to create like, who knew would be cannabis, right? Yeah. I needed to create what I’m doing now.

Honey Smith Walls 1:10:35

Well, you brought it to you. Yeah, absolutely. What like Eckhart Tolle says, Yeah, I’m big into thought discipline right now and I try to manifest that which I love and want to be and what I’m doing right now with you is exactly what I want to be doing.

Dr. Bridget 1:10:58

And you know, we need more of that. Yeah, for that dream. Yeah. Because a lot of our educational system or just as humans, we are so stuck in survival mode for so many of us that we’ve lost, real dream like real dreaming about what you want, and then creating the plan to get there.

Honey Smith Walls 1:11:24

There. It is. Yeah, that’s what I’m talking about.

Dr. Bridget 1:11:27

And so to be able, in people realizing that is within their capacity, and but you have to be flexible, because if I was not flexible…

Honey Smith Walls 1:11:39

Right… Hello, COVID. Yeah, oh my gosh, everybody had to pivot and if you didn’t, you just got left behind. But I think it was truly an awakening to the course correction that’s happening with cannabis and with our attitude in general, don’t you?

Dr. Bridget 1:11:58

I mean, everyone doesn’t have the same skill set clearly otherwise we would not be interesting at all. Right. And if we did not, like there are some people that I’m sure came in and out of COVID and we’re none the wiser, and I don’t know what anyone’s talking about. But to be honest, if you do not have the skill set to pivot, to be flexible to problem solve, what the it was, you How can it not be traumatic for people? Yeah, it’s just what level of trauma did you experience?

Honey Smith Walls 1:12:43

Well, as much as I love talking about trauma it has been such a pleasure talking about the entire industry, and Courage in Cannabis books. Do you know the date that they’re coming out?

Dr. Bridget 1:13:01

Oh, gosh, I’m so in it. So okay,  I want to say spring and I was very locked into that. Right now. I will say I’m so focused on making it great.

Honey Smith Walls 1:13:16

Well, I’m glad to hear it and you’ve got some great authors. Yes. That you’ve been working with and I’m going to be interviewing another one soon. I’m sorry. I can’t remember her name right off the bat. But these stories are so vitally important. And so compelling, you know, and inspiring. They really make us want to try something new for ourselves a new way. And that’s the whole point of the stories, right?

Dr. Bridget 1:13:48

Yeah, absolutely. And really, these are all people that had to face some sort of crossroads. And whether it was within their health, or even how they were using utilizing growing cannabis, choosing it as an option. They could either have gone the superficial route, or they chose to dig in for the wellness route or, you know, people all face some sort of crossroads in these stories, and may had to make a choice and most of the time it’s a difficult choice, right? So but nothing good comes from easy choices.

So,  I’m really inspired and just love all of these stories. And you know, just when I think I know what I’m gonna read they tripped me up and they bring something incredible to the tables, so I can’t say enough. You know, it’s a bigger book, I will say… so I definitely bit off a lot on this one.

Honey Smith Walls 1:14:56

But our audience can get Volume One right now. Oh, yes. So I’ll have a link in the show notes too.

Dr. Bridget 1:15:06

You can go to BarnesandNobles.com You can go to walmart.com Yeah, um, you can learn more about our authors and our books and everything going on on  Courage in Cannabis.com.

And let me say we’ve done with this new book is that we’ve moved it over to my nonprofit because the book is a expensive endeavor to put on. Yeah. And so originally, it was a pay to play. And I did not like that because they’re incredible stories and everyone can afford to participate on that level. Yeah. And so we have great sponsors that are supporting these authors. And we’re still looking for more because this is how I’m modeling the book. I initially I didn’t have this in mind, but once I got started, I used to love Chicken Soup for the Soul.

Honey Smith Walls 1:16:00

Oh, great series, right.

Dr. Bridget 1:16:02

And I will just catch a quick story and go on about my day and loved reading those stories. And that really has been our model… that we will do book after book after book and do different… the next book will definitely be a theme. We’re building our advisory board to help us decide and get there… and so the author’s never go away. What these poor souls do not realize that they’re in a lifelong relationship.

Honey Smith Walls 1:16:37

Poor souls have no idea how lucky they are. Dr.Bridgette… That’s awesome.

Dr. Bridget 1:16:44

Yeah, so they’re stuck with me.

Honey Smith Walls 1:16:48

Tell my audience how they can get in touch with you…

Dr. Bridget 1:16:53

Oh, so definitely, well, you can always go to info@DrBridgetMD.com So you can always send me an email there. There you go. And so that’s a quick way to just have a conversation but go to the website and there’s a link to connect. If you have questions specifically about the book.

Honey Smith Walls 1:17:13

That’s right. Well, thank you, dear heart. Thank you for all that you’ve done in the industry today. Thank you for your service to the medical system. The Western medical healthcare system needs change and you are leading and doing that. It’s an awesome task and we can’t thank you enough because it’s absolutely imperative that change happens, right.

Dr. Bridget 1:17:41

Change individuals or systems… we all need to evolve.

Honey Smith Walls 1:17:46

All right. Well, have a wonderful day editing. I know what you’re going to be going through.

Dr. Bridget 1:17:59

Thank you so much. Thank you.

Honey Smith Walls 1:18:00

My pleasure. And we’ll hope to see you again… talk to you again real soon about anything else whenever you want. To come back. You have the golden invitation.

Dr. Bridget 1:18:07

Oh, I love that. Thank you, Honey. Okay.

Honey Smith Walls 1:18:11

Take care. Bye bye.


You’ve been listening to another Cannabis Truth Podcast with 21st century cannabis shaman Honey Smith Walls, (that’s me) about the importance of using verifiably safe products.

The process of getting a diagnosis from your family doctor and taking your records to a cannabis specialist can lead you to the correct cannabinoid therapy for those issues.

Otherwise, you’re just your own guinea pig looking for answers without any foundational knowledge or ability to determine the best choices or strategies…

To find a qualified cannabis expert to help in your area, visit cannabisclinicians.org. It is a national society of cannabis experts and you’ll see that link down in my show notes.

Unless otherwise proven by a reputable third party lab test, please regard all street weed as contaminated. It may do grave harm to a patient with a delicate immune system who already has inflammatory issues like arthritis, IBS, Fibromyalgia or worse.

Thanks so much for listening today. I hope you found value and understanding through my podcast. I have many more thoughts upon the subject that go in a more spiritual direction. So in that vein, please join my live stage every Sunday at 8am EasternCannabis Truth…on Clubhouse.

OOh I hear the cows callin…



Cannaba Verum is Latin for Cannabis Truth. Sourcing factual information about cannabis hasn’t always been easy for a variety of reasons. However now because of modern innovations, it is. My sources are from leaders in cannabis science like:

Roger Adams, U.S. Organic Chemist who isolated the structure of CBD,

Raphael Mechoulam, Israeli Organic Chemist who isolated the structure of THC,

Ethan Russo, Dir R&D International Cannabis and Cannabinoids Institute

Dustin Sulak, DO – my favorite doctor at healer.com, teaching the art of Cannabis Healing to the world, and other industry greats like:

Rev. Dr. Kymron DeCesare, Ed Rosenthal, Jack Herer, Michael Backes, and Michael Pollen and so many more… plus I use classical sites like: PubMed.gov, JAMAnetwork.com, ResearchGate.com. I listen to several daily podcasts to keep up with the latest cannabis news across the nation and throughout the world like: Dr. Codi Peterson et al on The Cannigma Podcast,  MJTodayDaily.com and MarijuanaMoment.net.  I trust the CBDProject.org and CannabisScienceTech.com. I watch the National Cannabis Industry Association (NCIA) at: thecannabisindustry.org and many more like: NCIA’s Cannabis Industry VOICE (CannabisRadio.com)

Over past episodes of Cannaba Verum, we’ve listened to some amazing scientists and medical professionals talk about their discoveries and patient successes as hundreds of questionable compounds rise to the public grasp. I am especially interested in the pharmacists movement becoming an integral part of this new medicinal choice.

Watch this machine roll into action through conversations with pharmacy doctors all over the nation like Dr. Leah Johnson and Dr. Codi Peterson out West and Dr. Alan Ao up North. There are so many more getting involved now… these are just a few who have come on my show to explain the situation and it’s fascinating.

You’ll find citations available on my podcast blog at cannabaverum.com

PS: Helping society get past the fear of using cannabis will be a lifelong journey for me. This industry is just opening up and most patients and doctors are seriously cannabis naive and need help understanding where to turn for trustworthy information.

If you need help opening that cannabis discussion with your family doctor,  please reach out and grab the Dear Doctor Letter I wrote for this exact purpose. It will explain your decision to try cannabis and ask for their help in monitoring your labs and progress. It will also show them where they can find medical research on the subject of your diagnosis and the effects of cannabis.

You’ll find that letter at cannabaverum.com  

My specialist in hormonal help: Dr. Genester Wilson-King, M.D. and Founder

Victory Rejuvenation Center – Orlando, Florida


My Neurologist and Cannabis Expert Medical Marijuana Doctor in Melbourne, FL:

Anthony Mazo, M.D.

Brevard Neuro Center

(321) 733-2711

315 E. Nasa Blvd.

Melbourne, FL 32901.    

All opinions are my own and should not be mistaken as medical advice.

Here are some other helpful links as well:                                                    

(1) Microdosing – https://healer.com/cbd-cannabis-dosage-guide-project-cbd-interview-with-dr-sulak/

(2) Concentrates – https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/29307505/

(3) Cannabis Helps Dementia Podcast – Anchor.FM/cannabishelpsdementia

(4) Society of Cannabis Clinicians – https://www.cannabisclinicians.org/

(5) Take the Pledge – GreenTakeover.com

(6) Handbook for Clinicians – Principles and Practice – https://wwnorton.com/books/9780393714180

(7) Dr. Angie Krause, DVM – BoulderHolisticVet.com

(8) The Cannigma Podcast = https://cannigma.com/podcast/behind-the-scenes-on-cannabis-normalization-with-jm-pedini/

(9) Curious About Cannabis Podcast = https://cacpodcast.com/

(10) The Big Book of Terps by Russ Hudson = thebigbookofterps.com

(11) Learn Sativa University = SativaUniversity.com

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