Honey Smith Walls 0:01

Hey, my friends. You know, here in this cannabis industry, it’s been a very slow rollout across the United States and for businesses trying to jump into this industry. Well, it’s just damn difficult as all I can tell you. I mean, there’s no banking, there’s no advertising. There’s no insurance. Oh wait. There is insurance now, for some, and today we’re going to talk to summer Kairos. About the cannabis insurance business. She came from Colorado doing this now she’s down in Florida. Well, I’ll let her tell you the story. But wait till you hear what Summer Kairos has to say about the shenanigans going on with my medical records and insurance. Here we go.

Intro

Honey Smith Walls 0:00

Welcome to season three of the Cannaba Verum podcast, the cannabis truth podcast. I speak the language of cannabis freely and uncensored while educating my audience on safe use of this live plant therapy. You should know what’s in your cannabis. What’s good and what’s not. It does not come with an FDA stamp of approval yet. 

Using cannabis mindfully as medication is a different concept in Western healthcare philosophy, specifically the past 100 years. There’s a lot to learn and reconsider. The information you’ll find here comes straight from the scientists and clinicians doing the work and reporting their findings in real time through various live online outlets. The scientific truth of cannabis is finally getting out and is wide open for all to see at respected medical sites like www.pubmed.gov and JAMA, the Journal of American Medical Association (jamanetwork.com). 

I’m right there in the thick of it with all those titans of medicine as a fly on the wall. Because I’m not a doctor. I didn’t go to med school. I did take dozens of private cannabis courses offered by cannabis expert scientists online over the past few years and slowly began to understand the bigger picture. Well, I can talk to those medical professionals about cannabis all day long and their patients and hopefully inspire them to research the facts as we know them today. 

Cannabis is an amazing alternative in health remedies that can reportedly alleviate typical disease problems and troubling side effects caused by synthetic prescriptions. This is Honey Smith Walls, a 21st century cannabis shaman… not a doctor… not a scientist. Raised by nuns and wolves in the verdant cattle pastures of the Oklahoma oil fields. I’m here to amplify the truth of this great big story and language of cannabis in historical, political and scientific terms… so you can make educated decisions about the medicine you choose to ingest. 

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Honey Smith Walls 0:04

Well hello it sounds like I have summer.

Summer Kairos  0:06

Good morning.

Honey Smith Walls 0:08

Good morning. How are you?

Summer Kairos  0:11

How are you?

Honey Smith Walls 0:12

I’m just great. I just got back from a nice beautiful walk with my five little puppies and saw lots of blue sky today and friends and neighbors out walking there… you know it’s a little puppy festival out there back in the woods and by the pond and near the railroad track. You could hear the train coming down. You know, it’s just a glorious morning experience to be enjoying. And I have cannabis to thank for that. How was your morning?

Summer Kairos  0:48

It is it is hectic.

Honey Smith Walls 0:52

Well, everybody’s got a different path isn’t that right.

Summer Kairos  0:55

And it’s true.

Honey Smith Walls 0:57

Oh honey, it’s so nice to chat with you. And when I saw that you were in the insurance company in the cannabis industry. I was just truly my interest and curiosity was piqued because I live down here in Melbourne, Florida and I of course can’t get any insurance to pay for my my cannabis use as a medical marijuana patient. And there’s no adult use here yet. So I’m assuming that your insurance company helps other companies and like that in businesses, but I can’t wait for you to tell my savvy audience all about it.

Summer Kairos  1:45

Yeah, so yes, I own a health insurance agency. I actually, you know, started as a child as a teenager in Boca Raton in the 90s. My mom had an agency here in 2004. I opened my own agency in Colorado and so I’m sure you can see the path to how this ends in cannabis. Oh, yeah, that’s wonderful. So basically my business, you know, focuses on designing employee benefits for different types of businesses. So in 2004, I was one of the 10 brokers partnered with the Colorado Springs Chamber of Commerce and you know, this is before the Affordable Care Act when we could go in and design discounted plans for businesses. And so, you know, I helped (indecipherable) companies and nonprofits, medical practices, businesses like that. And so yeah, that was how I built my first insurance agency and then I launched my cannabis division a little bit later in Colorado.

Honey Smith Walls 2:43

You make it sound so easy honey but I’m sure the chaos of the Times had a huge play in all of that for you, too. Did it not. 

Summer Kairos  2:54

Yeah, I mean, so you know, 2012 amendment 64 passed by ballot initiative. And that’s when we kind of legalized recreational cannabis. So, you know, it’s it’s kind of interesting being down here in Florida now where like you said, there is no adult use and it’s, it’s like living in the past of it for me.

Honey Smith Walls 3:11

Oh, I bet. I didn’t realize you were here in Florida. I’m so glad. Where are you? I’m in Boca Yeah, Facebook. Oh, yeah. Okay, wonderful. Well, gosh, we’re gonna get to hook up and because I’ll see you at different conferences and festivals and events, won’t I?

Summer Kairos  3:30

Yeah, I used to actually surf up by you when I was a teenager. I think my surfing days are gone. But

Honey Smith Walls 3:35

oh, no kidding. Well, we’ve got some good places over here, around Cocoa to do all of that. Yeah, yeah. So now that you’re down here in Florida, gosh, I’m just trying to wrap my head around. Did you come to Florida before it was legalized?

Summer Kairos  3:55

So well, let me tell you first a little bit about like, you know, kind of what the cannabis industry was in Colorado in the early days, you know, Oh do. So I because I think you know, this is sort of this is sort of the way that I end up in this industry because obviously it’s easier for me to just help each fat companies, right. They don’t face any of the challenges that cannabis businesses face. But you know, in, you know, in the early days, and honestly, even now, these businesses first of all, there’s a, you know, a law, 280E, so they can’t take business deductions and that applies to things like employee benefits.

Honey Smith Walls 4:29

It’s a monster law. It really is a Franken monster.

Summer Kairos  4:33

Yeah. And so you know, I’m my my first clients, you know, start you know, after legalization and, you know, these are businesses running on cash. So from my side, I’m looking at this like, okay, even if I find an insurance company to do your employee benefits, you know, how are you going to pay $30,000 A month or $40,000? No, oh, yeah. Like if you don’t have a bank account, right. Yeah. Physically pay. So these are sort of the challenges that we were facing early on, and honestly even still, because I do

Honey Smith Walls 5:06

Hang on. Wait, wait just a second. I’m sorry to bark in your ear or like, thank goodness, I guess I just swallowed my own spit wrong. is all I can tell you, but forgive me for interrupting and please continue.

Summer Kairos  5:21

So you know, early on, we have these, you know, businesses who can’t see their, you know, they don’t have banking basically. And they also payroll services. So, you know, one of the issues on payroll was, you know, being able to get a company that could go pick up the cash in secure trucks and pick up the money from the businesses and we actually still do that. A lot of states do still have a lot of cannabis businesses, helping them do payroll. In Florida really one of the challenges in Florida is being able to find companies to pick up the cash. So yeah, so, you know, on the insurance side, it’s just it’s always been a struggle, you know, on the ability insurance, right? A lot of companies provide disability insurance for their client or for their employees and we only have one insurance company that will write cannabis company, goodness. Things like a Buy Sell agreement, right? If you’re a business owner, and something happens to one of the owners, you know, we use life insurance products in most businesses, and you know, we can’t write those on cannabis businesses. So there’s all kinds of things we can’t do.

Honey Smith Walls 6:37

And yet this is a state legalized medicine that people have been using since 2014 2014. Legally in this state of Florida, and businesses still are crippled by the 280 E. Mandate.

Summer Kairos  7:00

Yeah, you know, we have Yeah, it’s it’s really frustrating.

Honey Smith Walls 7:05

Compliance for businesses also. Is just utterly, ridiculously over regulated. And unfair. It doesn’t make any sense. You know, just all of that stuff going on. Still here in Florida. Unfortunately, it just makes it absurdly out of the question for a small business owner to come in and try to help people get cannabis.

Summer Kairos  7:37

Oh, I mean, the look, a small business isn’t even you know, we have 13 I think licenses that are up and running in Florida and the last one sold for $55 million. So, you know, in other states you have a true small business model, like in Oklahoma or, you know, Colorado but you know, in Florida. You know, we’ll see what happens there’s a case in the Supreme Court and that, you know, could change, but,

Honey Smith Walls 8:00

well, that’s just it. The legislators here in Florida, just keep rolling their regulations under the feet of, you know, all these old fart Floridians who come down here for blue sky and medicine, and you don’t know what’s happening. You can’t keep up with the legislation, just as a patient and let me tell you what happened to me recently that just disturbs the hell out of me. Maybe you can figure out what to do about it. I just changed my cannabis doctors. And the second doctor looked at me and his eyes popped out because he and I are friends. He happens to be a neurologist. And he said, Do you have multiple sclerosis? And I said, No. He was looking at the the paperwork that had been sent over to him from the prior doctor that I was going to for my cannabis recommendation. And he said, well, it says here that you do. And I said, Well, I don’t as my eyes got, you know, big as pies because I was worried about what my insurance was going to do to me dammit, I’m afraid of insurance as a woman as an old woman. I’m 67 I’m afraid of insurance. They’ve already scared the hell out of me throughout my lifetime. And now there’s a lie on my medical records. What’s that gonna do? Who put it there? I didn’t tell him I had Ms. No, but no other doctor told him I had Ms. Well, he says what was your original reason for going in? Well, terrible arthritis. My hands are, you know, horrifically painful and Nope, can’t do that anymore. Well, I’ve got high blood pressure. No, not that IBS. No, not that. And, you know, went through all these lists. And finally, we’re standing there staring at each other wondering what the hell I’m gonna do. How can I get a recommendation for cannabis now that I’ve been using, you know, for four years and or more and what’s going to be my reason? Because the legislative regulations rolled right under my feet. And even though I’ve been in this industry all this time, I didn’t know that they’ve changed that. I’m embarrassed about it, but I didn’t know. And here I am a victim of it now, and probably just for this lesson. And so I took my mask down and pulled my lip up to reveal this tumor that’s been growing on my upper gum, and his eyes got big. He said, that cancer and I don’t know I haven’t had a chance to check it out. And this is not too long ago. And he said, Well, I’m going to put down oral cancer as your reason for a recommendation for cannabis. And that was my ace in the hole. But I don’t know what to do about my medical records now because that lie is on there. And if they did it to me, they’ve done it to everybody else.

Summer Kairos  11:06

Right so you got to apply for life insurance or disability insurance you know, records and it really is a problem. So

Honey Smith Walls 11:15

I’m you know, I’ve got a real big mouth in case you didn’t you case you didn’t figure that out already Summer and I just, you know, the name of my business is Cannaba Verum. It’s Latin for cannabis truth. And I’m not going to get stinkered by these guys who are not telling the truth and got to get me in trouble because of it or make me a victim of their issue. So you know, it’s got to be fixed. It’s going to be fixed.

Summer Kairos  11:45

so much of this can just be solved right with just Rec Yes.

Honey Smith Walls 11:49

Hello, and voting the right people in who want to learn the science of cannabis and help the people and companies coexist. Hello. So I’m really proud for you that you’ve taken this step in this path into this difficult situation. You know, cannabis and insurance companies and Schedule One and 280E down here in Florida and all over the place, you know, so it’s just, it’s ridiculous that companies can’t use credit and banking and all of the tools that any other ordinary business would be able to use. Right and yet, here we are.

Summer Kairos  12:29

And you know, I was, um, they’re accepting applications right now in New Jersey and some doing a lot of quotes. I’m licensed in 12 different states and just because of cannabis, I have a regular insurance agency and my cannabis division, my cannabis divisions, rather large right now in multiple states in New Jersey, they’re preparing their licensing application. So they come to me for you know, liability quotes, where you know, workers comp all of that and one of the clients I spoke to their bank is in New Jersey is wanting to charge $2,500 per month you know, per location so on a vertical  when you’re talking about like a vertically integrated company, you know, they’re gonna have a grow they’re gonna process a marijuana dispensary. I mean, any location so $2500 a month. For me this this is something that I as a business owner, I don’t pay any fees to my bank. You know, they want my money.

Honey Smith Walls 13:22

I It’s so mind boggling the tricks of the old trade, you know, and and how corporate has already come in and taken over so much of this industry in this particular state. It’s frightening for us and sad a little bit, you know, and unfair again, as I said to the small guys, and we just like to be able to help everybody coexist.

Summer Kairos  13:57

Yeah, Florida’s Florida’s into a totally different market, you know, just enlarge. Right?

Honey Smith Walls 14:06

So let’s talk about some fun things. Okay. Instead of now that we’ve got all that sad stuff out of the way. Yeah. How did you come into cannabis you yourself personally?

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Unknown 0:04

So it’s funny because I don’t actually use cannabis and that’s always surprising to people, you know, because I have my cannabis logo all over everything but it’s really it’s really a political interest, right like I helping these businesses for me is a way to really I think help fight the drug war. I don’t like seeing people in jail for, you know, putting a substance in their body. It’s ridiculous. We don’t arrest people and put them in jail for you know, drinking alcohol in their homes. And so, for me, it really was more a more political interest. It’s It’s nothing personal against cannabis. It’s just that it happens to give me panic attacks and I can just drink coffee and have those.

Honey Smith Walls 0:46

 Hahahahha. Me too… three cups and I’m totally wired.

Unknown 0:48

Yeah, so I do use CBD products. And I actually think that a lot of people have my reaction to THC. And I think eventually we’ll sort of get to the point where we can figure out which strains do work for people with anxiety disorders, but yeah, you know, currently, it’s, um, I don’t I don’t use that. 

Honey Smith Walls 1:07

You don’t use products with THC in it but you do use cannabis products that are CBD is which are so yes, that correct?

Unknown 1:16

I do I use. I’m a big fan of the full spectrum products.

Honey Smith Walls 1:18

And I as well, who who? Who’s your favorite full spectrum?

Unknown 1:25

I can’t say because I have so many clients in the industry.

Honey Smith Walls 1:31

Oh, well of course not.products. Course not. Oh, God. Lewi says “she catches on real fast eventually” about me. I love that saying. Anyway, of course you can’t. But I can only imagine and I’m very happy to hear you say that you prefer a full spectrum product. I do as well. I truly believe in all of the cannabinoids in the in the plant and their synergistic effect. Our audience is pretty savvy about all of that and are happy to learn, you know any kind of new tricks of the trade that they can be enlightened about. And we’re always talking about how we use cannabis differently and how we layer it. You know, I get up in the morning and sometimes instead of coffee I’ll have a cannabis bud in my hot water with a little splash of either all spice or cinnamon. And that gets me calmed down for maybe a little nervous interview that I might be doing in an hour or so. And so, and I’ll just use hemp for that because I too, I can’t use a lot of THC. It makes me anxious. Or maybe it’s a particular terpene that’s doing it I’m not sure about that.

Unknown 2:59

terpenes are interesting. I was at that um, do you know about MJ biz? The big Canvas conference in Vegas every year?

Honey Smith Walls 3:06

I do. It’s a fascinating event and I can’t wait to go to one. Oh, you haven’t been? Yeah, I’m just jealous of everybody who has.

Unknown 3:16

I mostly just walk around and now just kind of, you know, look at all of the terpene research. I think it’s fascinating.

Honey Smith Walls 3:22

Mm hmm. Yeah, I I have a a circle of, oh, gosh, I’m just getting all tongue tied. All of a sudden, on LinkedIn. I’ve got all these buddies who are scientists and doctors and pharmacists and you know, clinicians and all of that and they’re all in the cannabis industry. And they are the most fascinating people to listen to, you know, I’m just a fly on the wall. I’m not a doctor or a scientist, but I have taken lots of their courses and studied under them for years and years. I’m still nowhere near anywhere close to understanding most of it or all of it or, you know, half as much as they do, but it’s such a glorious plant. And can help our humanity so easily and so well, because of the receptor system that we already possess in our body that, you know, just opens its little arms to the plant. It’s funny that that we’re discovering Oh yes, and also, one more thing I just am understanding recently. Women who possess estrogen may be having that effect with THC because of their estrogen levels. Tadaaaa You’re welcome. Talking to my cannabis expert OBGYN. Interesting. Ain’t it though so that’s just sort of in the science laboratory being looked at. And and there’s a I know that Whoopi Goldberg tried to go in this direction. Boy are we are offshooting from insurance but but she was in the process of creating a tampon that had that was infused with THC. I don’t know where that went. And now I just heard yesterday from Dr. Cody Peterson, oops or somebody on one of those shows. The “Canigma” or  maybe it was Ilana Goldberg on the Canigma podcast that the UK is using hemp and CBD infused tampons now medicinally and so you know and having great success with that, which my dear is sort of how it got started in Europe through the Queen’s Doctor giving her cannabis for her menstrual. For her menses. You know it’s been here forever and we’ve been using it forever. And so there’s all kinds of reasons why we should be able to continue to utilize this wonderful plant and have businesses around it, especially insurance.

Unknown 6:12

And on the you know, on the hemp side, you know, I think right now you know, most of my clients are you know, CBD like you’re saying that I was listening to do you ever listen to Bob Hoeven? He’s a friend of mine, a cannabis attorney out in Denver. He (indecipherable) law he was you know, on a podcast I was listening to this morning he was talking about the future of the hemp industry you know and how right now most of the growers are growing for CBD, but really the plant just has so much more potential than that. And so, you know, he wrote the laws for I think 30 Different countries in South America and he’s very involved in Ecuador and all these countries and you know he’s talking about the protein of the plant. You know, countries with protein deficiencies, like Ecuador using the plant as protein to feed the shrimp farms… like this is one of the largest industries there. And so, I just think that you know, I think that this market looks completely different in 10 or 20 years, you know, both in the US and globally. I mean, right now, it’s a little bit cost prohibitive in the US. So I think we have to find new policies to make it you know, more affordable to grow. Yeah, absolutely. The environmental impacts too, right. I mean, I think this is like an important aspect that gets overlooked, but it’s, you know, we know in the industry, you know, that this restores the soils. So, you know, we know that companies could make very easily changes and you know, maybe they’re doing hemp packaging or moving to hemp plastics, right? So I don’t know I sort of see it. I see. I’m sort of interested in that.

Honey Smith Walls 7:51

Well, they cleaned up Chernobyl with hemp. I keep saying and they they’re already making airplanes and cars with hemp.

Unknown 8:02

Right, the car doors, right?

Honey Smith Walls 8:04

Oh, yeah. You know, what, there would not be a white guy on Planet America had had they not had hemp, which makes rope and sails because you can’t sail a ship without ropes and sails. America was built on the backbone of hemp. The very first thing that settlers were ordered to do was grow hemp and they could pay their taxes with it. They were ordered to grow hemp so that they could begin a military Navy. And so it’s I’m not, you know, I’m not exaggerating when I say America was built on the backbone of hemp, it truly was, and it was in our food and in our daily lives and in our medicine chests. And, you know, it served us well, our animals ate it, and there’s even slugs down at the bottom of the ocean that are invertebrate that have an endocannabinoid system, like we do, or at least similar to ours. But you know, never seen the light of day and yet there it is. So it’s it’s, it’s coming back it it may have been stomped down for a period of time, but it is returning and I’m not sure if mankind has made that happen or if the plant is smarter than we and coming back on her own. But whatever. I’m glad that she is and and it’s making an immense change on the lives of many who are able to utilize it at this point. And I wish you well in your effort to help spread this word and help companies make good choices and you know, protect themselves in the way that insurance can. I’m really glad to know that you’ve you’ve come down here and that you’re spread around.

Unknown 10:00

Yeah, yeah, no, I love the industry. This is you know, it’s where my heart is. It’s business. You know, the business owners face challenges that they shouldn’t and so yeah, as long as that’s the case that’s, you know,

Honey Smith Walls 10:12

Compliance in Florida for businesses in this industry is a rocky mountain climb, you know, with legislation rolling under their feet. It’s so hard to know how to keep in step and I’m sure you help a lot of companies stay on the straight narrow path with that.

Unknown 10:36

I do I you know, I try to be a resource that’s it’s a very tight knit group of professionals who work in the industry. You know, from the banking to like you said, the compliance side and you know, the cannabis attorneys and so, you know, oh, yeah, worse for all of that. If you’re applying for a license. I try to get you to the right attorney. If you’re, you know, I want you to have a good HR attorney. I want you to have banking, that’s, you know, in Colorado, you know, there’s one bank that may charge $20,000 to review your financials and set up an account at another bank that charges $500 a month and so I just I try to be a business resource for these companies in every state that I’m involved in. So

Honey Smith Walls 11:16

do you see people turning to crypto for you know, monetary relief from third party, you know, just the whole decentralizing issue of all of that?

Unknown 11:29

I? I mean, you know, that’s a complicated situation, because there have been some companies who have, you know, been startups and companies have lost a lot of money in transition,  credit card processing side and that the financial piece of that, but that is another another side of them.

Honey Smith Walls 11:50

Right? Oh, there’s so many angles to consider in this industry, aren’t there? It’s just fascinating. Yeah. Really is. Tell us who your friend is your attorney friend in Colorado that has a podcast. Let’s plug his podcast.

Unknown 12:07

Oh, yeah. You know what? He’s not doing it right now. Okay. Well, no, it was an older podcast.

Honey Smith Walls 12:14

Oh, I see. Yeah. Well, I returned to some of those older podcasts. too. I understand what you’re doing for reference and to hear, you know, really listen to things that are really juicy. So that’s cool that we can do that with a podcast. If technology had not progressed to this point. I would not be the host of my own show. And meeting all of these fascinating people within my own industry, chosen industry I might add. Instead, I’d be frantically wondering where I was going to, you know, maybe find a little job to build up a retirement after pandemic hit us so hard. So this is, you know, I’m grateful for technology. I’m grateful for the ability to learn, you know, sitting from my easy chair, instead of having to go to a place and learn or having to, you know, all the other old fashioned ways there were.

Unknown 13:15

Yeah, I think we’ve all taken I lesson in you know, technology over the pandemic, I do my employee enrollment meetings now and you know, Colorado I just send a zoom link out and do my employee meetings that way.

Honey Smith Walls 13:27

It’s wonderful. I really, I’m grateful to technology and it’s just, it’s just gonna get better. Tell us the name of your business, how we can get in touch with you. And you know, what the, what the contact information is so that my friends, and listeners can appeal to you for help.

Unknown 13:48

Sure. So my cannabis businesses Kairos Insurance Group/Cannabis Division and the website is Canna insurance grew up sorry, Cannainsurancepro.com.

Honey Smith Walls 13:59

Very good. I’ll have all of these links in my show notes as well. Listeners, so not to worry about taking a note down for yourself right now. All right, awesome. Well, thank you so much Summer for coming and being on the Cannaba Verum show. I love talking about cannabis and how we live as a culture around this plant. And what we can do to help others because of it. You are just a big help to others. Because of it. Thank you. You certainly are. Well you stay in touch and let’s hook up at some of those conferences and have a good time. Definitely fantastic. And if you ever have any need or desire to come back on the show you know where to find us, right? I do. All right. Fantastic. Well, it’s been wonderful chatting with you. Thanks again Summer. Take care of yourself. Bye. Bye bye.

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2. Concentrates – https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/29307505/ 
3. Cannabis Helps Dementia Podcast – Anchor.FM/cannabishelpsdementia
4. Society of Cannabis Clinicians – https://www.cannabisclinicians.org/
5. Take the Pledge – GreenTakeover.com
6. Handbook for Clinicians – Principles and Practice – https://wwnorton.com/books/9780393714180
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Show Notes:

Wait till you hear about the shenanigans goin on in the medical cannabis industry that has me freakin out because I’m already an old woman! And how our guest today has tried to help new businesses obtain an obviously needed service for every entrepreneur, et al… Join us for a look into a mysterious world of partial legislation for some and none for others as we continue to look at the story of cannabis in 2022. Look for Summer at CannaInsurancePro.com for the Kairos Insurance Group-Cannabis Division.