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Honey Smith Walls 0:04

I can’t wait for you to meet our next guest. I’m calling her a builder because she’s building her own house with her husband. Up in the Canadian cold with him crate. Yes, but you’re gonna have to wait till the end to find out how she totally blew my mind. Join us right now for builders sauna Dunbar, another woman in weed right after the intro…

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Honey Smith Walls 0:00

Welcome to season four of the Cannaba Verum podcast, the cannabis truth podcast.

I speak the language of cannabis freely and uncensored while educating my audience on safe use of this live plant therapy. You should know what’s in your cannabis…what’s good and what’s not.

It does not come with an FDA stamp of approval yet. Using cannabis mindfully as medication is a different concept in Western healthcare philosophy, specifically of the past 100 years. There’s a lot to learn and reconsider.

The information you’ll find here comes straight from scientists and clinicians doing the work and reporting their findings in real time through various live online outlets.

The scientific truth of cannabis is finally getting out and is wide open for all to see at respected medical sites like pubmed.gov and JAMA, the Journal of American Medical Association… and I’m right there in the thick of it with all those titans of medicine… as a fly on the wall.

Because I’m not a doctor, nor did I go to med school. But I did take dozens of private cannabis courses and still engage in continuing education offered by cannabis expert scientists over the past few years and slowly began to see and understand the bigger picture.

Now I talk to people all day long about cannabis and hopefully inspire them to research the facts as we know them today. Cannabis is an amazing alternative in health remedies. It can reportedly alleviate typical disease problems and troubling side effects, even those caused by synthetic prescriptions.

This is Honey Smith Walls, a 21st century cannabis shaman, not a doctor, not a scientist, raised by nuns and wolves in the verdant cattle pastures of the Oklahoma oil fields. I’m here to amplify the truth of this great big story of cannabis in historical, political, scientific and spiritual terms, so you can make educated decisions about the medicine you choose to ingest.

Seg 1

Sounds like I’ve got Shawna.

Shawna Dunbar 3:06

I’m glad we finally connected. We were in the middle of a major storm or hurricane the last time we were supposed to talk.

Honey Smith Walls 3:19

I know it’s just crazy. They keep coming. It sounds like a world problem to me.

Shawna Dunbar 3:25

Yeah. You know, here in Canada,  in the Quebec Laurentian’s we’re used to this kind of weather so…

Honey Smith Walls 3:33

Yeah, you all have lived with that extremity for a long time. Exactly. And so you’re prepared for it and you deal with it like sane human beings with thinking minds would… right?

Down here we just go into frickin chaos… we crash our cars…. and into each other… we go out into it… You know we build flimsy homes… with with weak roofs… and and we build in wind patterns where trees are already known for uprooting… and we’re just crazy down here. So you know, that leads me to this subject… this whole reason why I wanted to talk to you… because well first let me back up just a little bit.  I’m all giddy and excited now. And I’ve got my headphones on, which is a good thing because if my dogs heard your dogs, it would be a real party. Right, right.

We have mutual friends don’t we? Haven’t we met through our friends Reverend Kelly and Stacy Bobak?  Yeah, those two women have truly been not only inspirational in their own neck of the woods, but far reaching all the way down here to Florida and other countries too, I’m sure with their education in the cannabis industry. And we talked about, you know, the medicinal values of that plant. But you’ve gone to utilize it in a different way from what I understand from our friends. Would you tell our audience about that?

Shawna Dunbar 5:22

Yeah, I think we’re very relevant considering how we started off the conversation with the storms. Exactly. So we are building a new home and we are using hempcrete. So hempcrete is made using the inside woody shaft of the hemp or cannabis plant and that’s called the Hurd… and the Hurd is then mixed with some lime and poselawn which is like… it could be red clay dust or silica… in the case of our mix, and that’s just like a binder.

And then what that does is… the mixture of lime and poselawn and the hempcrete. You add water to it. And you come up with sort of very loose concrete like mix and the way we’re doing it is in cast forms.

So the hempcrete actually gets laid. The walls are built just like any other house like a stick frame with you know, two by sixes and however you would build a normal house out of wood sticks and then from there, we put formwork up and the formwork makes the wall… here in where we are… climate requires to get the R value from the hempcrete which acts as an insulation… that we do a 12 inch wall.

So we put up these plywood form-works on either side of the frame. And we just load by hand this mix of hemp and lime and posealawn and water and then we tamp it down… and you’re literally using a stick with a little piece of wood on the end of it to tamp that hempcrete in place.

And then it eventually sets up and you remove the formwork and you just kind of work your way up one layer at a time all the way around the building. It’s a very laborious technique, but the final product is hempcrete… they say some people will claim that it’s stronger than concrete. I’m not 100% sure about that aspect of it but it is very, very strong. We don’t use it as a structural element but it does add structural value and it’s actually supposed to be really wonderful for really high winds, hurricanes, things like this.

So sort of relevant with what we’re talking about. Earlier in our conversation about storms. It adds an incredible insulation value. I think it’s at about 2.4.  So our per inch is your insulation value. It is 100% fireproof, it is rodent proof. Bug proof, mold proof. And the neat thing is because we use hemp hurd and we’re using lime, the product actually sequestered carbon. So when you’ve finished your build, as long as you’ve made other good choices in you’re building materials and practices, you should actually end up in the minuses as far as your carbon footprint goes. Wow.

Insulation and things like this, but we don’t pay much attention to the quality of the materials that are going in and how long they’re going to last. So the average home that’s built right now only has a lifespan of 40 years before it starts to fall apart with mold and rot. Our house should be stronger in 100 years from now than on the day that we built it.

Gosh So it means that we’re leaving something behind…  it’s going to be our legacy for our children. My husband and I are not money hungry people. We are hard workers and we’re happy with our lifestyle… but you know it won’t mean for a lot to be left in the bank for our kids, but they’ll be able to keep it in the family for generations if they want.

We’re also building multi-generational so we have a shared kitchen space and my mother in law is going to be moving in with us so we can actually sort of shift the family around in the household and have space for everybody as our family grows. I hope one day I’ll have grandkids you know…

Honey Smith Walls 9:56

I can’t stop thinking about hemp pods. I want hemp pods around, you know like on 100 acres and a Creek runnin through it…. a Walnut Grove and maybe an ashram between the hemp pods and everybody’s got one, I want to call it The Sanctuary. I just can’t stop thinking of it. And I’m so thrilled to hear about how this process goes and the explanation that you’re giving it really helps us understand a better and deeper value of the plant in a way that I don’t generally speak about to my audience.

Shawna Dunbar 10:36

Right. Right. But I think you know, one of the other really interesting things about hempcrete and you know, it is gaining popularity. One of the challenges that we face is supply. And this I find really almost angers me because we have this booming cannabis industry right….. especially here in Canada.

You know, we’re leading the way… we’ve been medically legal for over 20 years… we’ve had recreational legalization federally… there’s a lot of cannabis production that’s happening here.

Now the cannabis plant and the hemp plant is the same plant. You know, there’s different qualities to each different cultivar that is grown but essentially it’s the same thing it all has Hurd in the middle of it.

But we’re here in Canada and the US and we’re often outsourcing our hemp Hurd from Europe. So imagine what we’re adding to the carbon footprint by doing that. And personally I’m seeing here I do have some connections in Canada. I’ve seen some younger foreigners that are getting into this and want to be able to supply… but I think it’s something that we need to pay attention to, you know, right?

Honey Smith Walls 11:55

Yes. Is that because Europe has more decordicators?

Shawna Dunbar 11:59

Yes, it could. Well, I think I’m not sure you know about do they have more as far as the equipment goes? I think it’s just they’ve been doing it for a lot longer than we have. And so, you know, they’re in the practice.

Honey Smith Walls 12:13

Do you know how many decordicators Canada has? So the US has two.

Shawna Dunbar 12:23

I have no idea. Okay. Okay.

Honey Smith Walls 12:26

And, and that’s pitiful, considering that our country was built on the back of hemp… you couldn’t sail a ship over here without hemp! You couldn’t. You had to have rope and Canvas… both made of hemp to sail a ship across any body of water.

And when they got here, they had to grow more hemp to start the first Navy down here. And you could pay your taxes in hemp down here.

So I’m not sure what the Canadian history of cannabis is. I’d love to know. But I think there’s a lot more indigenous history than what’s what’s led on. And I’m also looking for that quality and depth of history in the plant because they beat the hell out of those cannabis canes. And do what the machine… the decordicator does for the human hands now, and that’s no easy thing. Getting those fibers out of that cane… is it.

Shawna Dunbar 13:43

That’s right. It’s it’s a big process. I know there is one young farmer here in Ontario who was looking into a government grant to be able to purchase the machinery to be able to do that. I would love to see our government encouraging that… especially since we have this cannabis industry… where are all their stocks going? They’re going into landfill. They’re going into the garbage… they’re not being utilized.

Honey Smith Walls 14:12

Well that… wait a minute, let’s think about that. Okay… but I want to offer this idea that landfills filled with hemp…. Are gonna clean up that soil like gangbusters. So, you know, the joke’s on them. Right? But who tears down and throws away? Right… the supply system is just screwed up.

Shawna Dunbar 14:40

Oh, it’s Yeah, it is. Absolutely. And it’s gotten worse over the last couple of years. But anyway, I’m you know, it’s something that I would love to continue the conversation with people in the industry here to get them to start thinking more green. We think of this amazing plant  and we associate the color green and ‘being’ green by consuming it and all….  but right now, it’s one of the dirtiest industries… if we just look at the packaging that we’re using.

Honey Smith Walls 15:17

Oh, my God, I guess I just said that on LinkedIn yesterday? Yes, I have never thrown away a single container or cartridge that I’ve purchased since 2016. Because the dispensaries wouldn’t take them back. And I’m a heavy user. So you can imagine my bags and bags and bags of containers of plastic jars with plastic lids, and glass cartridges with metal and ceramic lips and stuff and batteries. Holy shit the batteries that I’ve tossed… I’m not kidding you. You’re right. It is a deeply dirty industry. And they’re just washing their hands of it. Yeah, nothing. What the hell is that?

Shawna Dunbar 16:09

Our regulations actually require our producers to use these types of terrible containers that are with no recycling programs in sight. You know, no efforts whatsoever, and they claim it’s all about safety… keeping cannabis out of the hands of our youth… which I completely agree with having good safety standards, but that’s not one of them.

Think about it? Well do we have childproof alcohol bottles? No, no, exactly. Right. But our containers for our medical patients with arthritic hands trying to open your jar of cream and can’t… I can’t…

Honey Smith Walls 17:03

It’s ridiculous… that you have to push down and then twist and then the whole process is just pummeling the palm of your hand. I know it hurts me. And so I tried to transfer them into an easier container, but then there’s that whole process… can’t win for losing that. I know I complain to the container people and the packaging people all the time. I really do… and they want to hear me. You know, they’re glad for my assessments as a as an arthritis patient.

Shawna Dunbar 17:41

Oh that’s good. I’m glad you’re being heard. I just think you know, we have such an opportunity. You can make plastic out of hemp and it’s biodegradable.

Honey Smith Walls 17:49

So that’s what I keep telling him. We’re

Shawna Dunbar 17:50

We’re not doing that.

Honey Smith Walls 17:52

And, well, it’s been because of the whole Schedule One thing and a lot of people a lot of companies are still afraid to even touch them because of Schedule One. Now the Farm Bill passed but you know, I’m not so sure that they trust our government. Hello, people still in prison while we have medical marijuana available, you know? So, you know, and they’re just in prison for smoking a joint or even having a couple of ounces. So, Jesus, it’s just really hard to traverse the despicable, hypocritical legislation that’s been formed falsely around cannabis.

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Seg 2

Shawna Dunbar 19:39

I’m not 100% sure… we haven’t been in touch. It’s a she and I will be in touch with her actually. She’s knows Kelly and Stacey as well. Oh, her name is Denise AKA Don Seth. So yeah, you should definitely talk with her if you’re interested in learning more about hemp history. I was also thinking of Jamie Shaw… would be a great person for you to talk with. She knows like every little ounce of history worldwide.

Honey Smith Walls 20:14

Girl…hook us up. My audience is always interested in the facts and the science of this plant, because that’s who listens to us, you know, real people about what’s happening in the cannabis industry. And I try to highlight what women in particular are doing because it’s so hard for women to get ahead in this male dominated world and so I love hearing that the farmer you know is female and the other woman expert is female and so please hook us up with their info and I will definitely send them an invitation to come chat with us and educate us… so that would just be awesome.

Shawna Dunbar 21:03

Yeah, well, that’s what we need to do. We need to continue these conversations to bring awareness to all of this, right?

Honey Smith Walls 21:10

Yes. I’d like to ask you a couple of questions about when you’re building the hempcrete around your forms. That process… what’s the time period for that process? I mean, is it you know, weeks, days, months, maybe?

Shawna Dunbar 21:29

Yes, yes. So we just we did our first… so I’ll step back a bit. We bought 11 acres and our, our plan is to be…by the time we’re finished… that we’ll be as self sufficient as possible.

I’m on our property and so my husband is also a master carpenter. So he needs to have his garage his woodshop and everything. So we started with that and we thought it would take a course on making hempcrete and everything… But it’s not the same as having that hands on experience. Right. So we’re literally building it ourselves. My husband has over 30 years of experience building houses. So we’re…

Honey Smith Walls 22:21

I’m on my knees genuflecting to you, girl. That is amazing.

Shawna Dunbar 22:28

And I have some experience in construction as well. So we’re literally a family project. So the garage took us more or less, working on the weekends… because my husband works during the week. And of course we have labor shortages. People don’t feel like working these days it seems… so we struggled a bit with that.

But I think it took us six weeks to finish the garage with all of that… and that’s a 20 by 24 two storey building… the main floor is nine foot ceilings and then another eight feet on top of that. So 19 feet wide by 24. By 20. The house is bigger. It’s 36 by 38. It’s two stories as well. So while we’re figuring the house will probably take us about… if we can work full time, you know 40 hours a week on laying the the hempcrete then we should be able to, I think do that portion of it in six weeks. Yeah.

And then from there, it’s not your final step. So the final step with the way that we’ve chosen to do that hempcrete with the the formwork on either side so that the studs actually get buried in the hempcrete. So there’s no thermal bridging from that wood being on either side. But that process it’s long.

Shawna Dunbar 24:00

You’re literally going… say about three to four inches around the entire building at a time. Okay tamping it down… it’s laborious so you need to have someone on the mixer and someone who is measuring out the ingredients to make sure that you always have a consistent mix.

And of course your mix changes throughout the day as it gets hotter. You need a little bit more water if it’s cold, or you need a little bit less things. There’s alchemy. Yeah. And then you have your loaders and your tampers that are moving around the building just loading the hamper and tamping it in… so it’s a long process and then once that’s all finished and it’s cured, you take a moisture reading of the inside.

You can use a moisture reader that you would use for wood or whatever, right? And once you know that you’re at a good level of dryness, then it has to be parched.

So what’s that mean? So parching is like doing a plaster finish. Oh, okay. Yeah, so that’s the method that we’re going with.

Honey Smith Walls 25:16

Do you get to paint the plaster?

Shawna Dunbar 25:17

I don’t think so. I think we’re going to leave it natural. You know, I will probably do a final coat of a plaster base coat. I’m not going to color it we’d like just the natural white tone of the lime.

Honey Smith Walls 25:34

Yeah. So I want you to know that I got a hold of some plaster one year when I was sick with pneumonia for month after month after month. And I was just bored out of my gourd and I saw this little can of plaster out the garage and I grabbed it and brought it in the house. I’d already painted a wall sort of a dark, woodsy Brown and I started painting a tree out of that little can of plaster on the wall and gave it a texture, you know, like a hardwood tree. And so it turned into sort of a 3d tree and it’s a great big tree and it was no leaves involved just branches because it was cold and I had snow on my trees at home in Oklahoma when I grew up. And so I guess I was just hallucinating while I was playing with plaster and of course I had to go over to the local hardware and get about six more gallons of plaster to complete the tree. Playing with plaster is fun. And then I found out that I could paint the plaster. Yeah, and so then I started on another room with some painted plaster and boy that was fun.

Shawna Dunbar 26:56

I want to see some pictures.

Honey Smith Walls 26:59

Oh girl I got all kinds of crazy things going on my walls with plaster and stuff.

Shawna Dunbar 27:04

Yeah, I’m looking at different it’s getting the plaster and it’s gonna be my job because my husband hates that kind of stuff. So and of course we have a lot of surface to cover, but we want to use natural materials as well. So you can always take on it. Yeah, well, you can do a hemp based plaster. So it’s kind of like the hempcrete but just sort of a higher line ratio.

Honey Smith Walls 27:28

Girl.

Shawna Dunbar 27:29

That sounds wonderful. Yeah, so it adds a little bit more insulation and then you get that sort of warm tones from the hemp Hurd sort of shine through so I’m gonna experiment with a few different techniques for sure. We met someone in our area who is…. Now I hear your dogs.

Honey Smith Walls 27:50

They’re supposed to be quiet but Hang on just a second. Let me just shhhhhh….Hey, y’all. We don’t bark at neighbors… Thank you. Be quiet please. Thank you.  My little mongrels. All my little wolves are about eight pounds and under.

Shawna Dunbar 28:27

We had a five pound.

Honey Smith Walls 28:28

Well I’m not sure if I’m going to be able to stop them.

Shawna Dunbar 28:31

Oh, that’s okay. I don’t mind.

Honey Smith Walls 28:33

Okay, yeah, well, they’ve heard them before. Right? I tried to holler at them but okay, they’re in the other room. Anyway, so thank you. So thanks for your patience, everybody. Audience one at all. So that’s just the way it is. When you live in a den of little wolves. Yeah, anyway. So your process when do you expect to be finished with your whole process or do you even bother looking at that?

Shawna Dunbar 29:05

I think we have a better idea now that we’ve done the one building first. Because of supply issues. We were supposed to receive our Hurd in July and we didn’t get it until September. Oh my gosh. We had to say well, we’re going to hold off on doing the plastering on during the purging on the outside of the building right now. It’s just covered with tarps for the winter. But we figure that we should be able to move in, you know, this time next year the house should be livable. It may not be finished. There might be interior stuff to finish…. It is something that can potentially take years. Right You’re building yourself but Right. Yeah, the building itself should be all ready to go. We’re thankful that we have all of our roof trusses and everything is done. The foundation is set so it’s literally… as soon as the snow melts in the spring… we will be starting the framing and hopefully we’ll be starting to lay hempcrete potentially by May.

Honey Smith Walls 30:17

Oh, wow.

Shawna Dunbar 30:19

Yeah.

Honey Smith Walls 30:20

You just live in complete excitement all the time with new projects that are gonna have to start. Oh, yeah. At some point in the process. It’s wonderful. I’ve had the pleasure of buying an old building and completely revamping it. And it happened to be a 100 year old castle like convent, three stories. I know. So I turned it into a bed and breakfast with a restaurant. And I just had a ball doing that and what you’re doing, you know, sounds a lot like that kind of complete project from top to bottom that you get to just invest your whole heart into… and have… It’s so thrilling.

Shawna Dunbar 31:03

It’s a learning process too so that every step of the way I get to learn a new technique. You know,  I was gonna say earlier, we met another builder, natural builder who built his home out of straw bale. And so he’s learned all these plastering techniques that he’s since incorporated into his building practice. Wow. So he’s willing to teach me this you know, so it’s really neat being able to connect with other natural builders through this process, and learn about their excitement and all the things that they’re learning and to be able to share knowledge and experience and yada just learning the different techniques and all.

Honey Smith Walls 31:46

I’m wondering if you and he and maybe some of the others that you’ve made new contacts with in this process, are even considering a co op and doing lectures about what you’ve learned and what you’re doing at some of the agricultural conferences in cannabis that are going around for the hemp conferences and stuff… I think your expertise would just be fantastic there.

Shawna Dunbar 32:15

Well, there’s certainly more people out there that have more expertise than I d0. But I’m in the thick of it, just learning as I go. We have from the guy that we contacted to originally start off, like just for our drawings. You know, to get them approved for our building permits and because hempcrete is just a little bit different. You want to make sure that you’re working with someone who knows the construction process, right. And he has, I think he’s going on this year will be like 25 years building hempcrete homes, and he started in Europe, in France and then came over here to Quebec and he’s been here for just over 20 years. So it’s amazing… this hempcrete thing is new, but it’s not. It’s more popular.

Honey Smith Walls 33:06

After the prohibition of it, right. So well, it’s wonderful.

Shawna Dunbar 33:13

Organizations out there and people out there that are trying to create groups and stuff to share experience. And yes, talk about these things, right?

Honey Smith Walls 33:25

Yes. The HEMPproject.org  I’ll be sure to put some links in the show notes, but you know, for our audience, you’re right, a lot of really wonderful hemp organizations out there. I was hoping that a panel of them would come down to Florida after the hurricanes and help the people down here. Do some good with hempcrete and building, homes more conducive to the extreme weather conditions that we get for hurricanes and stuff like that and to go to the islands and build hemp pods and stuff so that they just don’t get blown away all the time.

Shawna Dunbar 34:21

That’s one of the things that hemp says have this durability for high winds and stuff Yeah. And dealing with that shear, you know, that. That sideways movement.

Honey Smith Walls 34:34

That happens to buildings… Yeah. Yeah.

Shawna Dunbar 34:37

Well, I can definitely put you in touch with the people that I know. I would love that. And I’m sure that most of us that are excited about cannabis and excited about hemp and all of these sorts of things… Love to talk about it. So we’ll hook you up. Yeah.

Honey Smith Walls 34:56

Well thank you so much, Shauna. If somebody had a question for you, would you like for them to email you or something?

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Shawna Dunbar 37:34

People can also reach out through my nonprofit organization: EducanNation.info as you know up through Stacy Bobak, my director.

Honey Smith Walls 37:46

I didn’t connect the dots. Please tell the audience about EducanNation.info.

Shawna Dunbar 37:54

Yeah, so EducanNation.info was a brainchild of mine many years ago. My son is epileptic and we had a short with suitable medications and I was never really comfortable with what he was taking. I wanted a natural alternative. So I had researched natural alternatives and of course cannabis came up… this is… we’re talking about nine years ago 10 years.

Honey Smith Walls 38:27

Surprise cannabis came up.

Shawna Dunbar 38:30

Yeah, and yeah, so then we ended up with this shortage of his medication and so it was either throw them on three different other types of pharmaceutical medications…there’s all sorts of side effects… or take the dive and turn to cannabis… and that’s what we did. And he has actually been seizure free.

The experience we lived of trying to find credible education and guidance, trying to find a health care provider to work with us trying to find information on dosing, on product selection on all of these things. We were on our own. And it was sort of a frightening process to go through and to feel like I was taking my son’s health and his life into my hands. Yes.

And we found success… cannabis has been miraculous for my son… for my family. But I thought no one should have to live through this. You shouldn’t be left on their own.

I went to this sketchy Cannabis Clinic where we waited in line with a whole bunch of  gangs that oh gosh, tattoos and all… the some with broken arms and all… I’m standing there with my nine and a half year old son and I was okay with it because I’ve been consuming cannabis since I was 12 years old. I’ve always been an advocate of its use, but I thought if it wasn’t me… if this was another mother standing here with their child, how horrible for them to have to experience this and then to go into this little closet, meeting with a doctor… who was a fantastic doctor, but still… in a closet or behind a screen and not have any follow up afterwards.

So we walked out of there with a 20 gram a day prescription, no guidance on how to use methods of consumption.

That’s sort of where my passion for cannabis education started. I thought, we have to do better. And then I thought, well, who’s we? Yeah, right. Just me. So.

So I started reaching out to everybody I knew that was somehow involved in the cannabis industry and came up with the idea of working with other cannabis educators of creating a standard of practice… and a standard of responsible, credible education, that could be available to everyone… and should be available too.

I’ll tell you that the first few years were rocky roads and I didn’t get involved with the right people. It just wasn’t happening. I was literally sort of on the brink of giving up. And then I was introduced to Stacey Bobeck and Stephanie Massey, who was our other co-chair at the time.

We met up on a Friday afternoon and started chit chatting about what we do and what we believe in. And we all realized that we were on the same page…same mission.

And so we agreed to register our nonprofit organization Educannation in 2020. So we have been up and running. We’re going into our, our third year. It’s amazing and we offer membership to cannabis educators to help them with continued learning.

You know the science is moving really quickly right now and wonderful… there’s much for us to know as educators, for supporting patients or clients. We need to know a lot… we need to know all the products that are out there. We need to know how they react, all of these things. So continued education is so important. And also knowing what you mentioned earlier about women in the cannabis space…we see that a lot of cannabis educators are women, we’re natural caregivers. Right?

Honey Smith Walls 42:46

We are. Yes, of course. Exactly.

Shawna Dunbar 42:48

And we recognize that need for the certification and the guidance and the hand holding, you know, yes. So important.

Honey Smith Walls 42:55

I know. So many old people who just try it for one time and say that didn’t work. And they got nobody to hold their hand and tell them. Wait a minute. Maybe you just need to prime the pump honey. Maybe you didn’t take enough… maybe you haven’t…let’s try this way or that way or this product. Maybe your hormones are out of whack. You know, let’s try something different. It’s alchemy, and we have to teach alchemy to these people who are accustomed to being told by a long white coat… What to do and how many times to do it. This is different.

Shawna Dunbar 43:34

Yes. And this is the beauty of cannabis that leads us to a self care model. Yes. How to self medicate, right.

Honey Smith Walls 43:43

Thanks for saying that out loud.

Shawna Dunbar 43:47

Yeah that’s what I love about this plant… understanding that we all have this endocannabinoid system that helps us understand that we’re all individuals. And you know, we need to take an individual approach to our own health and our own wellness and cannabis is sort of a great gateway to that.

Because we have to explore with the plant… we have to try different products… and different methods of intake, in order to find out what works for us as individuals.

So I love that the plant itself helps us bring attention to that. And so what education what we do is in our leadership membership, we provide support and continued learning to cannabis educators because again, we’re a lot of us are women on a lot. Most of us are entrepreneurs. We’re starting up our own, you know, health coaching businesses. Yes. And we’re doing it by ourselves. Yes, of course, our organization provides that business support as well as continued learning.

And then this year we’re pretty excited because we are now going to be launching our next two tiers of membership. So we’ve developed a membership that’s geared towards cannabis patients towards recreational utilizers. Anybody who wants to learn more about cannabis and wants to be in a supportive community that’s going to be our basic membership. Which will be financially accessible as well to people.

Honey Smith Walls 45:23

Well, I think I need to join that… just saying,

Shawna Dunbar 45:25

Oh that would be wonderful.

Honey Smith Walls 45:27

Thank you. No, it sounds really helpful and supporting.

Shawna Dunbar 45:32

Yeah, we’re developing as well. We’re doing a beta test this year of our professional memberships. So that’s sort of like a step up from our leadership membership for those educators that wants to be able to work with other educators. So we’re developing our holistic clinic model so that cannabis educators can work with other health care practitioners within the same space to help guide patients and work together so that we can share our business expenses and have that water cooler to come around.

You may have a tricky case where you’re not finding success with a patient… where you’ve got other people with experience that you can lean on. And then we were also aiming to build cannabis outreach… programming that we can train our educators to go out and provide one on one cannabis education talks and workshops and things out in the community, you know, exceptional support groups.

Honey Smith Walls 46:35

I love this. You’re doing it, you’re doing it. You’re doing it and you’re doing it right and I love what you’re doing. It’s just so great to hear and inspiring too because we need absolutely every single valuable way of using this plant to come alive so that everybody understands how desperately we need it. How unconditionally it will help everybody on the planet, every living thing on the planet. It will make such a huge change for us. For the better of the entire planet and I’m just thrilled to hear you talking about actually working the process… understanding the plant… and teaching what you know.

Gosh, I appreciate you. Thank you so much.

Shawna Dunbar 47:37

Thank you. I appreciate so much having had this opportunity and I’m going to ask you one thing if there’s a favor that you can do for me and for Educannation… we just put together a public survey to help us better understand what cannabis education needs are of the general public out there. So it’s a survey that’s open for people of all ages. Doesn’t matter whether you use cannabis or you don’t or you hate the plant or you love it. We want to hear from from everyone. So if you could circulate our survey out there…

Honey Smith Walls 48:11

I’d be thrilled to Yeah, absolutely. I’ll put it in the show notes. Can you tell us what that link is? Was it too long to say?

Shawna Dunbar 48:20

I think it’s much too long.

Honey Smith Walls 48:22

Okay. Okay. You know, I didn’t know if you had a pretty link…

Shawna Dunbar 48:27

No, I wish we did but what I’m going to do is email you.

Honey Smith Walls 48:33

I’m also assuming it doesn’t matter that we’re down here and you’re up there.

Shawna Dunbar 48:40

No, not at all. You know, I think we are living in a time of global communities, right?

Honey Smith Walls 48:49

Yes. Yeah, I totally agree. Totally agree. We got to make that. I’m so thrilled to understand that your Educannation, when Stacey first told us about it, I thought it was really wonderful and she is such an angel. Also just have to shout out to our our friend Reverend Kelly, who, you know, has inspired so many to get involved with cannabis and she’s just awesome. So, Shawna, thanks so much for coming and hanging out with us.

Shawna Dunbar 49:25

Thank you so much for having me. I’ll send that link right now for our surveys. So fantastic. And yeah, we’d love to hear from your audience. If anyone has any questions. I’m always around and one of those people that loves to talk about cannabis.

Honey Smith Walls 49:41

Will you promise to come back when you’ve got any any fabulous juicy news we all want to know about?

Shawna Dunbar 49:50

Oh, absolutely. And you know what I’ll do, I’ll send you some photos and stuff from our build.

Honey Smith Walls 49:57

And I’ll send you some photos. Oh, I’d love that. Oh, that’d be fantastic. And I’ll send you some pictures of my of my walls with my plaster on them. Okay, take care and enjoy those warm fires. Together.

Shawna Dunbar 50:14

Thank you. Yeah, bye bye.

Honey Smith Walls 50:37

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FINI:

You’ve been listening to another Cannaba Verum podcast with 21st century cannabis shaman Honey Smith Walls about the importance of using verifiably safe products. The process of getting a diagnosis from your family doctor and taking your records to a cannabis specialist can lead you to the correct cannabinoid therapy for those issues. Otherwise, you’re just your own guinea pig looking for answers without any foundational knowledge or ability to determine the best choices or strategies.

To find a qualified cannabis expert in your area… visit www.cannabisclinicians.org.

It is a national society of cannabis experts and you’ll see that link down in my show notes.

Unless otherwise proven by a reputable third party lab test, please be advised that all street weed is contaminated. It may do grave harm to a patient with a delicate immune system who already has inflammatory issues like arthritis, IBS, fibromyalgia or worse.

Subscribe to the Cannaba Verum podcast and become part of a project to understand the effects of cannabis on the public. Your anecdotal testimony is priceless to me. Medical citations are posted on my podcast blog when you visit CannabaVerum.com. That’s CannabaVerum.com. Hey, and one last thing… Would you take an extra second to give my podcast a Like and Review? It’s like Bitcoin crack for the algorithms. Thanks so much. Hey, I hear the cows calling.

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Sources

Cannaba Verum is Latin for Cannabis Truth. Sourcing factual information about cannabis hasn’t always been easy for a variety of reasons. However now because of modern innovations, it is. My sources are from leaders in cannabis science like:

Roger Adams, U.S. Organic Chemist who isolated the structure of CBD,

Raphael Mechoulam, Israeli Organic Chemist who isolated the structure of THC,

Ethan Russo, Dir R&D International Cannabis and Cannabinoids Institute

Dustin Sulak, DO – my favorite doctor at healer.com, teaching the art of Cannabis Healing to the world, and other industry greats like:

Rev. Dr. Kymron DeCesare, Ed Rosenthal, Jack Herer, Michael Backes, and Michael Pollen and so many more… plus I use classical sites like: PubMed.gov, JAMAnetwork.com, ResearchGate.com. I listen to several daily podcasts to keep up with the latest cannabis news across the nation and throughout the world like: Dr. Codi Peterson et al on The Cannigma Podcast,  MJTodayDaily.com and MarijuanaMoment.net.  I trust the CBDProject.org and CannabisScienceTech.com. I watch the National Cannabis Industry Association (NCIA) at: thecannabisindustry.org and many more like: NCIA’s Cannabis Industry VOICE (CannabisRadio.com)

Over past episodes of Cannaba Verum, we’ve listened to some amazing scientists and medical professionals talk about their discoveries and patient successes as hundreds of questionable compounds rise to the public grasp. I am especially interested in the pharmacists movement becoming an integral part of this new medicinal choice.

Watch this machine roll into action through conversations with pharmacy doctors all over the nation like Dr. Leah Johnson and Dr. Codi Peterson out West and Dr. Alan Ao up North. There are so many more getting involved now… these are just a few who have come on my show to explain the situation and it’s fascinating.

You’ll find citations available on my podcast blog at cannabaverum.com

PS: Helping society get past the fear of using cannabis will be a lifelong journey for me. This industry is just opening up and most patients and doctors are seriously cannabis naive and need help understanding where to turn for trustworthy information.

If you need help opening that cannabis discussion with your family doctor,  please reach out and grab the Dear Doctor Letter I wrote for this exact purpose. It will explain your decision to try cannabis and ask for their help in monitoring your labs and progress. It will also show them where they can find medical research on the subject of your diagnosis and the effects of cannabis.

You’ll find that letter at cannabaverum.com  

My specialist in hormonal help: Dr. Genester Wilson-King, M.D. and Founder

Victory Rejuvenation Center – Orlando, Florida

VictoryRejuvenationCenter.com

My Neurologist and Cannabis Expert Medical Marijuana Doctor in Melbourne, FL:

Anthony Mazo, M.D.

Brevard Neuro Center

(321) 733-2711

315 E. Nasa Blvd.

Melbourne, FL 32901.    

All opinions are my own and should not be mistaken as medical advice.

(1) Microdosing – https://healer.com/cbd-cannabis-dosage-guide-project-cbd-interview-with-dr-sulak/

(2) Concentrates – https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/29307505/

(3) Cannabis Helps Dementia Podcast – Anchor.FM/cannabishelpsdementia

(4) Society of Cannabis Clinicians – https://www.cannabisclinicians.org/

(5) Take the Pledge – GreenTakeover.com

(6) Handbook for Clinicians – Principles and Practice – https://wwnorton.com/books/9780393714180

(7) The Cannigma Podcast = https://cannigma.com/podcast/behind-the-scenes-on-cannabis-normalization-with-jm-pedini/

(8) Curious About Cannabis Podcast = https://cacpodcast.com/

Show Notes:

Watching this plant emerge through the magic of the creative human mind is rather daunting. This plant is medicine, food, building, and more. Wait till you understand the full scope of our next guest! Not only is she building her own house, she’s running an extraordinary organization! Jump on in with us.