CV 201 Terese Bowers – Follow Bliss

February 27, 2023

CV 201 Terese Bowers - Follow Bliss


Promo Intro:

I didn’t expect to discuss the spiritual nature of cannabis but our guest today just dragged it out of me! You’ll recognize her work and connect with her inspiring story. Please welcome our sweet friend, Cannabis Wellness Coach, Terese Bowers… right after the intro…


Honey Smith Walls 0:00

Welcome to Season Four of the Cannaba Verum/Cannabis Truth podcast.

I speak the language of cannabis freely and uncensored while educating my audience on safe use of this live plant therapy. You should know what’s in your cannabis…what’s good and what’s not.

It does not come with an FDA stamp of approval yet. Using cannabis mindfully as medication is a different concept in Western healthcare philosophy, specifically of the past 100 years. There’s a lot to learn and reconsider.

The information you’ll find here comes straight from scientists and clinicians doing the work and reporting their findings in real time through various live online outlets.

The scientific truth of cannabis is finally getting out and is wide open for all to see at respected medical sites like and JAMA, the Journal of American Medical Association… and I’m right there in the thick of it with all those titans of medicine… as a fly on the wall.

Because I’m not a doctor, nor did I go to med school. But I did take dozens of private cannabis courses and still engage in continuing education offered by cannabis expert scientists over the past few years and slowly began to see and understand the bigger picture.

Now I talk to people all day long about cannabis and hopefully inspire them to research the facts as we know them today. Cannabis is an amazing alternative in health remedies. It can reportedly alleviate typical disease problems and troubling side effects, even those caused by synthetic prescriptions.

This is Honey Smith Walls, a 21st century cannabis shaman, not a doctor, not a scientist, raised by nuns and wolves in the verdant cattle pastures of the Oklahoma oil fields. I’m here to amplify the truth of this great big story of cannabis in historical, political, scientific and spiritual terms, so you can make educated decisions about the medicine you choose to ingest.

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Honey Smith Walls 0:21

Oh it sounds like I have Theresa.

Terese Bowors, Cannabis Coach  3:12

I am here… I am here.

Honey Smith Walls 3:14

Good afternoon, dear heart how are you today?

Terese Bowors, Cannabis Coach  3:18

I am actually doing quite well. On the rebound from having neuro virus for two weeks.

Honey Smith Walls 3:24

What is that like?

Terese Bowors, Cannabis Coach  3:29

A lot of resting in bed… fever, pain, aches. Generally just what was the word? It was like malaise.

Honey Smith Walls 3:39

Oh, glad you’re on the recovery side of that. I feel like I was in a moment of discombobulation a couple of hours ago. Had a friend show up for a music lesson. On an ancient instrument called a bowed psaltery and we were just having a real giggle going on and I suddenly felt like I was in the middle of I don’t know… somebody else’s timezone… that I wasn’t where I was supposed to be.

And then I started trying to get you to come online an hour earlier than we were scheduled and I was like, Oh my Lord, You must think I’m a total nutcase.

I just got back from the Miami Cannadelic Conference for four days and four nights and so my whole time schedule is completely discombobulated. Would you like to know my quick assessment of that conference?

Terese Bowors, Cannabis Coach  4:36

Yes, I would love to.

Honey Smith Walls 4:38

I saw at least as many women there as men, if not more on stage and they mostly talked about opening up clinics throughout the United States wherever it was legal for psychedelics and cannabis. And because down here… a lot of mushrooms might be legal in most states, but not all. And MDMA and and ayehuasca and other, buffo and all of those may or may not be illegal depending on where you are… in which state… it’s really screwed up right now.

But they’re all kind of trying to figure out how to raise a clinic in their particular state of confusion and compounds and how to do it safely and effectively with real care about the person who is of course, a patient looking for relief.

So that was my first impression. Felt like I was in the lap of love of 1000 people. The mushrooms, the magic mushrooms and the cannabis flowed freely. Everybody shared.

It was freezing in the hotel so we’d all congregate outside in the happy Miami sun and light up and pass out different mushroom delights. And chocolate or you know, cake or gummies or whatever it was… it was  just the way it’s supposed to be.

Okay, and then here’s my sadness. The only science I heard came from a panel of lawyers talking about D8, the only science… that’s it. Everybody else was there recreationally except for the the clinicians who were trying to, you know, come together. That was a different grassroots bunch than the recreational bunch who was there to sell their stuff. Yeah. And to make connections. And that was fine. I don’t mind that at all.

But oh, my goodness, they don’t know anything. And they don’t have any regard for illness and relief. They’re just chasing the high… Wow. And it’s disturbing. They’re missing so much and they treated me like I was some sort of Goddess because I could talk about the compounds of what they did.

Yeah, we are your group. Yes, exactly. Come to me children come to me. Please come listen to Auntie Honey. So that was lovely. But I’ll never be able to go back to that particular hotel again. Because of the Miami Hurricanes. It’s been flooded several times. And the mold was so bad they kept it at Sub Zero whether to keep the mold down and I still sound like I’m eatin marbles and chalk. Yeah, but CanMed is perfect for science. And there’s a lot of other conferences that are already in play that we can get real science from. But that was an eye opener choice. It was a real eye opener. How’s it going up there in Canada for y’all and recreation and medicinal and all of that?

Terese Bowors, Cannabis Coach  8:23

Yeah, it’s it’s a journey and it’s a bumpy one that’s for sure. We had murmurings from Health Canada that we really need a medical program everybody just buys their weed at the recreational store anyway, so why do we need a whole medical program with 1st medical access?

And we’re like no, we need a medical program. It’s just like no, we’re not going to push this under the rug and promote recreational over medical. It’s not an end. It’s not an either/or. Right. So we just had a big cannabis review when Health Canada offered people in the industry to submit their feedback to the cannabis Health Act in Canada. Because it’s been three years since legalization. So they have to go through and review it. And so we’ve spoken loudly and we’ve said what we’ve wanted and the changes that we wanted and from the amount of plants that we can grow to accessing medical to Yeah, to just trying to get the program working, so that people who need it can access it.

Honey Smith Walls 9:44

It’s just so horrifying to understand that the recreational bunch cannot connect the dots… don’t want to… continue to chase the high… can’t relate to people who are already on a handful of prescription pills and don’t want more high, or any high. They’re not talking about how to tame the high… how to avoid it all together for their grandmother who didn’t want to get up in the middle of the night… fall… and change her life forever. Exactly. Exactly. Is it bitterly cold up there?

Terese Bowors, Cannabis Coach  10:19

It’s not bad actually. We’ve had warming temperatures our snow has been melting. And it’s actually been a very lovely winter.

Honey Smith Walls 10:30

Oh, yeah. That’s nice to hear. Oh, that’s great. So I am sorry, I’m stuttering now. I took a peek at your LinkedIn and I don’t know how we met but we’ve got some wonderful mutual friends. Are you buddies with Dr. Leah Johnson?

Terese Bowors, Cannabis Coach  10:52

Yes, just through LI and not personal buddies, but just through LinkedIn.

Honey Smith Walls 10:58

It’s a special tribe, isn’t it? Yes, yes,

Terese Bowors, Cannabis Coach  11:02

yes. And I’m also quite keenly connected with Educannation. So you’ve already connected with Stacey Bobak and was Shauna Dunbar and I’m also on the board of directors for Educannation. So you’re you’re accessing all of us.

Honey Smith Walls 11:15

I’m so thrilled to hear that and I was gonna go there next. I just love what Educannation is all about. The audience has heard us talk about it before, but they’re way out there in Canada, and we’re way down here in Florida. And it doesn’t matter because you can still access the programs and get the edu necessary and also the support as a person in the cannabis industry. Is that correct? Yes. Yes. Yeah. Tell us a little more about it and how how enticing your programs are,

Terese Bowors, Cannabis Coach  11:51

Yeah, yeah. So we’re just launching our yearly membership again, and in the yearly membership, we have three different levels right now. We have our basic membership, which is for people who are curious about cannabis. They’re not necessarily clinicians, but they want to get just more details and they want to have access to us as professionals. So we have a basic membership for those.

We have a leadership membership for clinicians who want to connect with other clinicians… learn from each other… share studies and support each other.

And we have a business support meetings. We have a watercooler meeting and then we have a speaker series where we bring in specialists in different topics. So that leadership membership has been what I did last year, and was a great way to be supported in my business. And as a as a clinician myself, I work from home… I’m on my own. But joining Educannation I have a water cooler. I have the opportunity for us to just chit chat about things that are going on and support each other and hold each other accountable so that we’re just not Lone Ranger’s out here in the cannabis field.

Honey Smith Walls 13:05

That’s really really important. I know that lonely feeling of working on your own. And I love the autonomy, but it’s lonely.  Yeah, so having a water cooler and friends in your industry who can really relate to all of the crazy stuff going on in cannabis, or whatever your industry is. It’s not just the cannabis industry but when you do find a water cooler… I love that term… to share your week with when you’re a solopreneur… it makes all the difference in the world. To find support. Because my family here… five dogs two fat cats… and a 90 year old spouse. No way are they going to talk to me about cannabis all day.

Terese Bowors, Cannabis Coach  13:55

No, exactly. Right. Yeah. So we got that place to vent… to share stories. And if we’re having a client that’s hard,  we’re there. We’re challenged with what do we do? We can bring that to our other clinicians and just have that collaboration which is really cool…

Honey Smith Walls 14:11

And have resources available for each other and support. It’s wonderful really.

Terese Bowors, Cannabis Coach  14:17

We have one more beta membership that’s starting this year and that’s the professional membership… that’s for clinicians who want to go a step further and work more as a team and train other clinicians as well. So we are working on this clinic model here in Canada as well and as a professional member, you will be able to take shifts at the clinic and then also offer your training to the other members in the leadership aspect.

Honey Smith Walls 14:47

Whoa, that sounds like a really great way to train doctors because down here… because of the laws, the 280 E laws about money and banking and taxing and all of that and cannabis is still a schedule one… You know, doctors were not able to take credit cards and it screwed up your banking terribly. And so just to be able to have support system of people to talk to about those kinds of issues, but also, you’re not jumping into this arena by yourself. That’s the glory of your program.

Down here. I’m afraid it’s going to have to be mandated and probably worldwide. Of course in the medical structures of every society it’s coming. It’ll come until that happens. And for those who are already interested because they’ve seen their patients outlive prognoses of death, then you know,  I love the inspiration that your group is giving to doctors to go ahead and learn early.

Terese Bowors, Cannabis Coach  15:57

Yeah, absolutely. Because they are so resistant. They’ve been resistant… our doctors,

Honey Smith Walls 16:02

They’re so conditioned by proper (bad) propaganda. You know, it’s not their fault. I’ve had a doctor down here… Well, he was a rheumatologist. I went in to ask him about cannabis because I had been referred by my general practitioner to him.

Went through all the ballyhoo of going in to see him… sat down and he said, How can I help you?

I said, I’m here to find out about medical marijuana. He said one moment and got up, walked out and came back with a sheet of paper and asked me to read it. It said, I will never discuss this subject with him again or he will drop me as a patient. And I looked up at him and said, You don’t have to drop me as a patient. I just dropped you as a doctor. Yes. That’s still going on widely here in Florida for heaven’s sake. So of course people are afraid. Yes.

Terese Bowors, Cannabis Coach  16:55

That happens here in Canada, too. I’ve had clients come to me and say my doctor won’t see me if I start using cannabis. I’m like, it’s legal here. It’s legal.

Honey Smith Walls 17:04

They don’t care. They’re scared of it. Yeah. They don’t know. So what else are you doing up there?

Terese Bowors, Cannabis Coach  17:12

So in my own coaching practice, I am just starting my second year of our my Speakeasy Women’s Cannabis Club.

Honey Smith Walls 17:21

Wow, does that sound enticing? It is!

Terese Bowors, Cannabis Coach  17:24

It is so much fun. Last year we just we met monthly on zoom so people can join from anywhere and each month is a different topic. Sometimes we’re talking about weight loss. Sometimes we’re doing a demonstration on how to make selfies and sometimes we’re talking about starting your seeds… it we go through every stage of the cannabis journey from making it growing… it taking it… dosing it… and all kinds of off label kinds of ways of using cannabis like for weight loss. And so we have so much fun and I’m just thrilled to launch it again this year. It’s a $19.99 yearly membership fee to join…

Honey Smith Walls 18:10

Oh my gosh, that’s affordable. Yes. For all that value!

Terese Bowors, Cannabis Coach  18:14

And then you’re in the club and we have a group that we can communicate with each month share stories, share pictures and all that. And then we have our monthly meetings, which are 25 for drop-ins. So if somebody’s not a member anyone can drop in for $25. Or it’s $20. for members so you get $5 off your monthly fee or you might say meeting fee to join. Most of the women love to join all of them some just handpick topics that they like and that works out too.

Honey Smith Walls 18:45

Yeah, that sounds really wonderful. I love how you created the scheduling of all of this and and affordability and maneuverability.

Terese Bowors, Cannabis Coach  18:56

And you know what, how old the women mostly are. Tell me. 70!

Honey Smith Walls 19:03

Shut up. I’m 68.

Terese Bowors, Cannabis Coach  19:06


Honey Smith Walls 19:07

I still think of myself as being a girl in my 30s… I really do. And especially at night in the dark when I’ve lost my phone and I charge outside barefoot in the backyard and trip over something… that’s when I remember I’m not 30 anymore.

And then I rushed for my little kid of jar and salves and tinctures and stuff of cannabis to put on my bloody shins. Yeah,  so tell me how you’re enjoying your practice and the patients who come to you… are you also teaching how to be a coach, as well as teaching patients how to use safely and effectively?

Terese Bowors, Cannabis Coach  19:55

Not quite yet. Certainly when I started coaching three years ago, I really wanted to bring on people to mentor to become coaches. But it’s not there yet. I’m just saying yeah, one step at a time. There’s a lot isn’t there… there really is… and that’s what I really love to do. That’s probably more of my passions is mentoring other coaches as opposed to working one on one with clients… but I love that too.

And when I first started I was working a lot with women 40 Plus… and working with supporting anxiety and sleep and pain, mood, menopause, and then over the last year or so, made a change in the way that I’ve been marketing because I was tired of getting kicked off of social media. And I’m like, You know what, I gotta do this differently. I need to find another way of reaching people. And so I started reaching out to seniors groups, and seniors groups love to have guest speakers and I love to be a guest speaker. So I do about two or three guests bookings a month with seniors groups, and my clientele is now mostly seniors. I love that. And it’s because I don’t have to reach seniors on social media. They not on social media, right…. so I can reach them in person in their groups. I also do farmers markets and trade shows and just wherever they will let me come… I get shut out of many places too and they’re like, No, you can’t talk about cannabis. I’m like, okay, but I try to go to the places where I’m welcome. Yes. Yeah. And seniors, you know, I am really loving working with seniors, because the people that are coming to me are interested in taking over their own health care, and they’re interested in learning to step outside that comfort zone of ‘doctor knows best’ and moving into ‘actually I think I know best’ and really guiding them to take these first steps. Maybe they’ve never ever before done anything outside of what a doctor said.

Honey Smith Walls 21:55

That was me. I thought all this was just woowoo stuff… eat a plant for medicine. Stop.

Terese Bowors, Cannabis Coach  22:07

Yeah. So I love that… the openings that we have in our awareness and things like when I’m talking to clients, and they’re like, ‘so I noticed….’ and then they start to share something about me that they noticed in their body and I’m like, yes, yes.

Honey Smith Walls 22:26

I love it when the awareness happens and they begin speaking about it. You know, it’s really lovely. You know, I hear about stories of women in their hardships as elders getting lost in the system. You know, falling through cracks, losing their money, their home, their cars… going to the streets.

I hear this over and over and over again. And then I see women who are trying to find health through a different means because Western sick care has failed them. And they discover cannabis in some way, shape or form. And their lives had been inspired like ours have to go out and and spread the good news. And then their lives are lifted too. Yeah. So I think I’m not surprised that you’re hearing from more elderly women. I think they relate more to the the physical issues that we suffer, and the prescriptions that are given for those and what the side effects of all that does and how cannabis just helps alleviate all of those issues.

Terese Bowors, Cannabis Coach  23:51

Absolutely. Yeah, that was one of the things that made me reach for cannabis is that I was having…. Can I just keep telling my story? Okay, okay, so let’s dive into this and why I’m here and why I can speak about cannabis and illness and autoimmune disease.

Because that’s a lived experience for me.

So when I was a single mom, I had two young children aged nine and six… was living in a really beautiful area in Canada, which we compare it to the desert of Canada. And it’s hot and there’s lakes and it’s beautiful. There’s orchards… vineyards. It’s beautiful.

And my daughter became really sick and upon meeting with the doctor, we discovered she had type one diabetes at age nine. And life really changed.

At the time I already was pretty much my own health guide. I didn’t rely on my health care system. But this was going to be a new journey because I really avoided hospitals and doctors as much as I could, based on my own knowledge that I had been compiling. But we were in a situation… type one diabetes needs medical care. It needs prescription drugs in order for her to continue living. So just shift a bit of mindset and find a balance between medical care and alternative care. And it took a toll on me and I started to develop my own illness of chronic fatigue syndrome.

Honey Smith Walls 25:30

Oh my gosh.

Terese Bowors, Cannabis Coach  25:31

It happens when we become caregivers of chronic illness in our children…

Honey Smith Walls 25:38

I too have chronic fatigue. Honey, I’m really surprised to hear that… I didn’t realize it was stress that could bring that on like that.

Terese Bowors, Cannabis Coach  25:46

Yeah, yep, totally. So cannabis kind of came into my awareness. I grew up in a very fundamentalist background where I didn’t have alcohol or cannabis or anything. I didn’t even have movies or playing cards. It was very very different from where I’m at now in my life.

And so I didn’t know anything about cannabis. But it came to my awareness that it just kind of called to me and it started me thinking about cannabis and my friends. So I had some friends who were using cannabis and I was like, geez, I want to try it. I don’t know why but let’s just try it… I didn’t know about medical use or anything like that. And the very first night I had a puff of a joint and I was outside in a hammock with my husband… so I was married at this time.

Honey Smith Walls 26:35

In your 20s?

Terese Bowors, Cannabis Coach  26:36

No 35… Oh 35…

Honey Smith Walls 26:51

14 for me…

Terese Bowors, Cannabis Coach  26:53

This had been hidden from me all these years? I felt good. I felt a lot of stress relief. Like a big weight had been lifted from my shoulders. And I slept really well that night. And and I was like okay, I need to read… I need to dive into this. I need to research what is this?

And that was the start of my journey that was over 12 years ago. I just started researching and finding out more about cannabis… finding out how to make my own products… moving away from smoking joints to using oils… and using the vaporizing…

Then when my son was 14 he started to become very, very ill and we had to enter the medical system again… and the medical system really let us down… the testing that came back was all fine. There was nothing wrong. Maybe its just all in his head.

And years… he spent six years struggling with severe severe pain, being bedridden for months on end. He didn’t finish school, just not able to work… not able to participate in life. Through the alternative health we discovered he had Lyme disease. Oh my god. Yes. And it was him who said to me as I was listening to a podcast about cannabis…. I was very open about my cannabis consumption with my kids at that time. But he heard me while listening to this podcast about cannabis and he said… Oh, he was 16 at the time… he said, ‘Mom? Would cannabis help me?’.

Honey Smith Walls 28:25


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Seg 2

Terese Bowors, Cannabis Coach  30:20

I’m like… “You know? I don’t know! Let’s check it out!”

Honey Smith Walls 30:22

Oh my gosh.

Terese Bowors, Cannabis Coach  30:23

So we found a pediatrician who was willing to prescribe cannabis and willing to follow us on our journey. She was awesome. Such a support and I believe that cannabis is what has saved his life. He is 20 now and he has had some healing. He still has a long ways to go. But his pain is managed. His insomnia is managed… nausea is managed… mood anxiety, depression. The years that he spent bedridden I believe he probably didn’t have cannabis he wouldn’t have had hope. Oh my gosh, as a young person being derived just you know like so separate from your peers and having such a small life. Such a small painful life. I can see the tendency to to stop that life, could have been really easy for him to reach for.

Honey Smith Walls 31:16

Suicidal ideations over the pain of… yeah, yes. Yes. thing for thing. Listen, feel free to say that doctor’s name and give her whereabouts if you wish. Because I don’t know if you can…but I’m happy to put her out there…

Terese Bowors, Cannabis Coach  31:29

I don’t know if she’s taking new clients right now. So I don’t want to say but people are welcome to contact me and I can contact her.

Yeah, that would be better.

Yeah, so this is kind of where I’m looking at my chronic illnesses, my daughter’s chronic illnesses. She has since been diagnosed with three more autoimmune diseases in addition to her type one diabetes. Boom, and my husband also has been diagnosed with psoriatic arthritis. And cannabis has been really good for him topically… that’s how he prefers to use cannabis.

Honey Smith Walls 32:11

I’d love to ask you something about his psoriatic arthritis… Does he ever notice any issues with coconut oil?

Terese Bowors, Cannabis Coach  32:21

Either topically or internally?

Honey Smith Walls 32:24

Either way, I’m just wondering if he did because I’ve heard a question about people with psoriatic arthritis being somewhat allergic to coconut oil on occasion. And it’s enough that people are noticing it and wondering if he did.. I have psoriatic arthritis, but I don’t think I have an issue with coconut oil which is often the delivery base. For tinctures in cannabis. Yes.

Terese Bowors, Cannabis Coach  32:55

And I don’t believe so. We haven’t noticed any reason or any reaction to MCT. He’s very very very particular with his diet and very, very careful. And so he’s really clear on what foods do give him reaction and what don’t and I don’t believe that coconut oil or MCT oil did.

Honey Smith Walls 33:13

I’m just doing my own little personal poll there.

Terese Bowors, Cannabis Coach  33:19

And I notice too in clients that some people a percentage of people do react to MCT oil and so we’ll find all the oil or tincture or another option.

Honey Smith Walls 33:31

Well, it sure is an interesting ride with legislation language rolling under our feet constantly. And the science of cannabis rolling, because you know, new discoveries being made every day. I was at a conference last night and they were talking about THC VP, helping autism and autistic kids. So much so, wow, there’s now over 35,000 studies done on cannabis…

Terese Bowors, Cannabis Coach  34:09

More and more coming.

Honey Smith Walls 34:11

Right. Tons more coming now that the lid has been lifted off of cannabis research, which was ridiculous in itself to outlaw that. Yes. But it was. Yeah. Yeah. So well, is there anything else that you would like to tell our audience about what you’re doing up there in cannabis… and how grateful we are to spend some time with you?

Terese Bowors, Cannabis Coach  34:39

Yes, I think my power just splurged Am I can you hear me?

Honey Smith Walls 34:44

Yes. I heard it too.

Terese Bowors, Cannabis Coach  34:48

Sometimes that happens with me. You know if I’m thinking a really powerful thought I bust the power.

Honey Smith Walls 34:57

Really? That was you?

Terese Bowors, Cannabis Coach  35:04

Yeah, I will say anything.

Do you hold ceremony to raise vibration?

I do. I’ve started to host New Moon celebrations with women.

Honey Smith Walls 35:10

And tell us about that. Would you please?

Terese Bowors, Cannabis Coach  35:12

Yes, absolutely. And it’s not really connected to cannabis so much. As far as it’s more about bringing us back to ourselves. I don’t follow any specific tradition because of my own background and upbringing. I like to look at all everything that’s available and pick what’s going to work for me. And so one of the key principles of my group is that whatever we share from me or any of the other participants, you’re welcome to take it in and take it home or leave it there. So that we’re not all needing to abide by the same rules or the same values or the same way of being…. that we can all be unique in our way of expressing life, learning about ourselves and being a part of a group.

Honey Smith Walls 35:59


Terese Bowors, Cannabis Coach  36:03

So I really like to remind women every time at our gathering… that please… bring what works for you and leave what doesn’t… leave that… just… Yeah. And so we focus on sharing, sharing what’s going on in a really authentic way. I want to know what’s going on in your heart. I want to know your life. I don’t want to know that surface stuff. Yeah, you have girlfriends and we can go out for drinks and talk about that. But what’s really bringing emotion for you? Yeah. And what and how we can be a support to each other.

Honey Smith Walls 36:36

Oh, that surface stuff. I’m so glad you said that out loud. I got girlfriends that just want to talk about that surface stuff. And it just drives me crazy because it’s just ‘when I turned left or when I turned right or when I went straight ahead or backwards’. And it’s just junk talk. I want to… I want to know what’s in your heart too. I want to know how your path has journeyed so far to your I Am. Where’s that going on? You know… how you doing there?

Terese Bowors, Cannabis Coach  37:03

A lot of time in this life. Yeah. Yeah. And so I think it’s really important. I think it’s really important to use the time that we have wisely.

Honey Smith Walls 37:14

I agree with you wholeheartedly. I didn’t expect to be on a spiritual path in the cannabis industry. And I certainly didn’t expect the scientists to be the ones who led me there. But when you start delving into these compounds, there’s not a scientist or doctor that I’ve talked to who hasn’t said, ‘You must heal the spirit to heal the body’ and can’t do one without the other… just has to do it all… and that led me to the introspection that cannabis always provides.

So on this show, generally we talk about all things politics and business and, you know, history and stuff like that. But I reserve a chat on Sunday mornings for the spiritual chatter about cannabis because it’s become so important to me, and learning how to quiet my mind through tools like cannabis and chant and, you know, music and stuff like that. We must find ourselves and stop the chaos and pain that we cause ourselves through all that monkey chatter. Totally, totally.

Terese Bowors, Cannabis Coach  38:35

And this is where just getting in tune with ourselves and as you said, all our healing. A healing can begin in the mind…  just like physical body. We are powerful healers, but we have to cultivate those gifts and those abilities within our bodies and we can’t do it if we’re so stuck up here in the mind.

Honey Smith Walls 39:01

I listen to Eckhart Tolle a lot and he tries to help us put some space between our thoughts and emotions and our past and our future. And who our true IAm is.

So I kind of put all of those four things in a wet laundry bag and throw them in the washer and put the lid down… and then I don’t push start.

Then you feel that space there between not pushing the start button and not doing anything? That’s so peaceful. That’s awareness. Yeah.

So he’s leading us to awareness and being present, is my point. And that’s what you’re doing to helping people see and be aware of what’s happening immediately. And how to to deal with it lovingly with themselves around the water cooler. I love that. I love that and I love getting together spiritually with women, not religiously, but spiritually to find our peace and test our path.

Terese Bowors, Cannabis Coach  40:15

Yeah, I always invite people to come and experience the magic. Bring your magic with you. And we’ll share our magic together. What I call magic is that soul connection or that heart connection between the women, the sharing of our stories, the feeling of oh, I know that experience too… I’ve been there.

Empathy that we can share just the simple holding space or just simply hearing somebody maybe for the first time. But women have said, ‘I’ve never ever shared this anywhere else’. I’m so glad they feel safe to share it here. Even if we can’t change the situation. It’s not about that.

Honey Smith Walls 41:01

But you can change it through reframing your thought around it. Yes, yes. Yes, that’s true. Yeah, there is the change that we’re all looking for leaving the misery of thought, so that it no longer bothers us.

Terese Bowors, Cannabis Coach  41:16

Yeah, getting a different perspective. Yeah. And reframing

Honey Smith Walls 41:19

That can happen with everything. That’s forgiveness, isn’t it? Yes, reframing something so that you can forgive it. That’s what I find cannabis helps me do. It helps me be introspective enough to reconsider a situation and forgive the offenses toward me.

Terese Bowors, Cannabis Coach  41:37

Yes. I was sick with the Norovirus the last few weeks. I wasn’t very happy. I generally like to follow bliss in my life. So I like to find the things that bring me joy. I like to sit in peace. And I like to recognize that everything is okay in my life right now. And I felt that everything wasn’t okay in my life. I was sick and I wasn’t achieving the goals that I had set for myself. And they had to sit on the sidelines and I didn’t have a lot of gratitude. And I just had a lot of angst.

A couple of nights ago, I was remembering that I really need to move into gratitude and I need to find some more opportunities to express gratitude so that I can move through this angst. And so I consumed my cannabis. It was just before bed… I took a few puffs and started to think about gratitude and with the help of cannabis, it opened up my opportunity to see the things that I could be grateful for. As simple as Okay, so, I mean, we can get all high and mighty in our gratitude, but sometimes it’s just like, I’m so glad that I don’t have a hangnail so that doesn’t get caught in my hair and doesn’t pull and sting and burn. Yes.

Terese Bowors, Cannabis Coach  43:03

Like I’m so grateful today. And just having cannabis on board helped me to open up and be like, Well, I’m so grateful for the mattress that I have on my bed because it’s really comfortable and it holds me in it… keeps me cozy. And just in finding those ways of connecting to gratitude in a way that’s not just giving lip service to it, but feeling it in my body like this is for me.

Honey Smith Walls 43:30

And it’s so such a wonderful feeling, isn’t it? Yes. So if I can remind our audience what’s happening chemically in your body when you think these happy loving good thoughts towards yourself is that you are actually changing and producing chemicals that feel good and that are healing to the rest of the junk, the illness that’s going on inside your body. Those chemicals are called serotonin and anandamide and on and on and on. So when you practice, thought discipline, like we’re talking about to live in gratitude and frame your day, your life, everything in gratitude, then you are literally producing chemicals that are healing the insides of your body, and thought discipline to direct healing in your mind in neurons.

Here’s something that’s new to me… but have you seen our friend on LinkedIn, Slava Bobrov, and the graphics that he’s doing in neurology, brain graphics and stuff showing you… oh my god, it shows you how neurons connect. It’s literally true microscopic video of how neurons are searching for each other. They look like little creepy crawly octopuses, octopi… and their little tentacles are all out just feeling around and reaching for each other and then soon… they find a little tentacle and you see the spark where they attach so you can direct your happy thoughts of health and wellness and repair into those neurons with your thoughts.

That’s where my head is now. And cannabis helps me get there and I practice thought discipline. Twice a day, working on my little dog who has Cushing’s disease, enlargement of the organs, and trying to like throw Reiki towards her with mind discipline…  isn’t that what Reiki is? Yeah, passing energy from one person to another through thought control, thought discipline?

Terese Bowors, Cannabis Coach  46:14

Connecting through the divine energy source… to the divine.

Honey Smith Walls 46:18

And thank you. That’s it. Thank you. Yeah, for saying the rest of it. I’m new to this. I’m sure you can tell. But it’s so exciting to me. To be able to live my life in a totally new way in gratitude and feeling good knowing that I’m directing my own health in an excellent way that Western sickcare can’t touch.

Terese Bowors, Cannabis Coach  46:43

That’s right. That’s right. Yeah. What are the other things that we kind of get hung up on? I’ve got a gratitude practice. Okay, so I’ve got a thought. I’m working with my thoughts and I’m doing my meditation and being mindful and I’m practicing presence and what if I’m still sick?

Honey Smith Walls 47:07

If it… we… Okay, so Eckhart Tolle says, we simply have to accept the things that we cannot change. You’ve heard that old prayer, the Serenity Prayer, right? Okay. We lean into the things that we cannot change, accept it. Yes. And take the lesson from it. Am I right? Is that right?

Terese Bowors, Cannabis Coach  47:23

Yes, yes. And also there’s something else I’ve been playing with till this is in the concept of what if this is the life I was meant to have? The one I have right now.

Honey Smith Walls 47:34

That’s what I think. We bring our future to us. So design it how you want it. That’s right.

Terese Bowors, Cannabis Coach  47:43

And I can still have my purpose. So there’s been years where chronic fatigue has taken over a lot of my life, and I haven’t been able to be out in public. I haven’t been able to work right now. Over the last few years I experienced good health? I’ve had a bit of a decline over the last number of months. And so I get to this place of, well, what if I can’t work again? Well, what if, like, what if, what if things happen that I don’t want to happen and that I didn’t envision and that I didn’t plan for and it doesn’t fit in with my life, my life goals? What if what I’m experiencing is a bit of a deviation about what I had envisioned. But what if I can still live my purpose? From my bed? What if my purpose is from my bed? What if I’m no longer not less valuable as a person from my bed? What if I can still find my joy and bliss and share that with others?

Honey Smith Walls 48:42

Listen to that. It’s beautiful. And you’re right…  when we live in the present through gratitude, it doesn’t matter what’s coming at us. In here. It’s not real. It doesn’t matter what we’ve already lived through. It ain’t here. It’s gone. It matters how we perceive our now doesn’t it? Yeah. How we live in our now.

Terese Bowors, Cannabis Coach  49:13

Yes, yes. Yes. And so many people that I hear with chronic illnesses have lost that. And it’s not hope I don’t want to go with hope. Because hope can be this never reachable thing.

Honey Smith Walls 49:28

Yeah, I hear you. I hear you.

Terese Bowors, Cannabis Coach  49:30

I like to be in the place of assurance. I am assured that where I am is where I’m supposed to.

Honey Smith Walls 49:36

Oh my Lord. That’s powerful. I feel like I’ve just been to church! I really do. You’re good. At this. Yeah. Yeah. You’re really good at this. I want to join your tribe up there. Yay. Your monthly tribe. Yeah, it sounds wonderful. Yes.

Terese Bowors, Cannabis Coach  49:57

It’s not all focused on this type of thing, but those are the things that I infuse when you just don’t notice. Because when we are having fun and engaging with other people, if I share these truths in a really comfortable and profound way… it lands… it lands and I’m not going to preach to you. I’m going to share from my own experience and narratives.

Honey Smith Walls 50:23

That’s what women do really best… to share our experiences, in hopes that somebody will be able to glean some of the wisdom or lessons from every experience.

Terese Bowors, Cannabis Coach  50:36

Yeah, yeah, maybe they can avoid a pothole that I got stuck in.

Honey Smith Walls 50:40

Exactly. And women get stuck in a lot of potholes. Yes, yes. Yeah, just by virtue of being who we are. But this is powerful juju, and I’m so tickled that we could connect today. Thank you for pushing through my craziness this morning earlier. I’m so glad that we could really connect Yes, me too. Me too. Will you come back and chat with us again, on any level, spiritual or otherwise? I would certainly love to do that. Thank you. We’re gonna stay connected. Tell us how we can get in touch with you, please.

Terese Bowors, Cannabis Coach  51:21

My website is my first name…so it’s: t e r e s And that’s the best way to connect. Connect with me on Facebook and all those things too, but the links are all on the website. So that’s the best way.

Honey Smith Walls 51:37

Great. Then we’ll see you soon. Thank you again for being here with us and we’re gonna send you off with our love and blessings.

Terese Bowors, Cannabis Coach  51:49

Yes, lovely to connect with you today.

Honey Smith Walls 51:51

Honey. Okay, take care. Bye bye. Bye bye

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You’ve been listening to another Cannaba Verum podcast with 21st century cannabis shaman Honey Smith Walls about the importance of using verifiably safe products. The process of getting a diagnosis from your family doctor and taking your records to a cannabis specialist can lead you to the correct cannabinoid therapy for those issues. Otherwise, you’re just your own guinea pig looking for answers without any foundational knowledge or ability to determine the best choices or strategies.

To find a qualified cannabis expert in your area… visit

It is a national society of cannabis experts and you’ll see that link down in my show notes.

Unless otherwise proven by a reputable third party lab test, please be advised that all street weed is contaminated. It may do grave harm to a patient with a delicate immune system who already has inflammatory issues like arthritis, IBS, fibromyalgia or worse.

Subscribe to the Cannaba Verum podcast and become part of a project to understand the effects of cannabis on the public. Your anecdotal testimony is priceless to me. Medical citations are posted on my podcast blog when you visit That’s Hey, and one last thing… Would you take an extra second to give my podcast a Like and Review? It’s like Bitcoin crack for the algorithms. Thanks so much. Hey, I hear the cows calling.



Cannaba Verum is Latin for Cannabis Truth. Sourcing factual information about cannabis hasn’t always been easy for a variety of reasons. However now because of modern innovations, it is. My sources are from leaders in cannabis science like:

Roger Adams, U.S. Organic Chemist who isolated the structure of CBD,

Raphael Mechoulam, Israeli Organic Chemist who isolated the structure of THC,

Ethan Russo, Dir R&D International Cannabis and Cannabinoids Institute

Dustin Sulak, DO – my favorite doctor at, teaching the art of Cannabis Healing to the world, and other industry greats like:

Rev. Dr. Kymron DeCesare, Ed Rosenthal, Jack Herer, Michael Backes, and Michael Pollen and so many more… plus I use classical sites like:,, I listen to several daily podcasts to keep up with the latest cannabis news across the nation and throughout the world like: Dr. Codi Peterson et al on The Cannigma Podcast, and  I trust the and I watch the National Cannabis Industry Association (NCIA) at: and many more like: NCIA’s Cannabis Industry VOICE (

Over past episodes of Cannaba Verum, we’ve listened to some amazing scientists and medical professionals talk about their discoveries and patient successes as hundreds of questionable compounds rise to the public grasp. I am especially interested in the pharmacists movement becoming an integral part of this new medicinal choice.

Watch this machine roll into action through conversations with pharmacy doctors all over the nation like Dr. Leah Johnson and Dr. Codi Peterson out West and Dr. Alan Ao up North. There are so many more getting involved now… these are just a few who have come on my show to explain the situation and it’s fascinating.

You’ll find citations available on my podcast blog at

PS: Helping society get past the fear of using cannabis will be a lifelong journey for me. This industry is just opening up and most patients and doctors are seriously cannabis naive and need help understanding where to turn for trustworthy information.

If you need help opening that cannabis discussion with your family doctor,  please reach out and grab the Dear Doctor Letter I wrote for this exact purpose. It will explain your decision to try cannabis and ask for their help in monitoring your labs and progress. It will also show them where they can find medical research on the subject of your diagnosis and the effects of cannabis.

You’ll find that letter at  

My specialist in hormonal help: Dr. Genester Wilson-King, M.D. and Founder

Victory Rejuvenation Center – Orlando, Florida

My Neurologist and Cannabis Expert Medical Marijuana Doctor in Melbourne, FL:

Anthony Mazo, M.D.

Brevard Neuro Center

(321) 733-2711

315 E. Nasa Blvd.

Melbourne, FL 32901.    

All opinions are my own and should not be mistaken as medical advice.

(1) Microdosing –

(2) Concentrates –

(3) Cannabis Helps Dementia Podcast – Anchor.FM/cannabishelpsdementia

(4) Society of Cannabis Clinicians –

(5) Take the Pledge –

(6) Handbook for Clinicians – Principles and Practice –

(7) The Cannigma Podcast =

(8) Curious About Cannabis Podcast =

(9) The Big Book of Terps by Russ Hudson =

Show Notes:

This lovely Canadian Cannabis Coach will give you plenty to ponder and some inspiring stories with actionable endings! You’ll find her services at and you won’t want to miss her WaterCooler project!                 Here are some other helpful links as well:                                                     (1) Microdosing –

(2) Concentrates –

(3) Cannabis Helps Dementia Podcast – Anchor.FM/cannabishelpsdementia

(4) Society of Cannabis Clinicians –

(5) Take the Pledge –

(6) Handbook for Clinicians – Principles and Practice –

(7) Dr. Angie Krause, DVM –

(8) The Cannigma Podcast =

(9) Curious About Cannabis Podcast =

(10) The Big Book of Terps by Russ Hudson =

(11) Learn Sativa University =

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