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Honey Smith Walls 0:00

Welcome to season four of the Cannaba Verum podcast, the cannabis truth podcast.

I speak the language of cannabis freely and uncensored while educating my audience on safe use of this live plant therapy. You should know what’s in your cannabis…what’s good and what’s not.

It does not come with an FDA stamp of approval yet. Using cannabis mindfully as medication is a different concept in Western healthcare philosophy, specifically of the past 100 years. There’s a lot to learn and reconsider.

The information you’ll find here comes straight from scientists and clinicians doing the work and reporting their findings in real time through various live online outlets.

The scientific truth of cannabis is finally getting out and is wide open for all to see at respected medical sites like pubmed.gov and JAMA, the Journal of American Medical Association… and I’m right there in the thick of it with all those titans of medicine… as a fly on the wall.

Because I’m not a doctor, nor did I go to med school. But I did take dozens of private cannabis courses and still engage in continuing education offered by cannabis expert scientists over the past few years and slowly began to see and understand the bigger picture.

Now I talk to people all day long about cannabis and hopefully inspire them to research the facts as we know them today. Cannabis is an amazing alternative in health remedies. It can reportedly alleviate typical disease problems and troubling side effects, even those caused by synthetic prescriptions.

This is Honey Smith Walls, a 21st century cannabis shaman, not a doctor, not a scientist, raised by nuns and wolves in the verdant cattle pastures of the Oklahoma oil fields. I’m here to amplify the truth of this great big story of cannabis in historical, political, scientific and spiritual terms, so you can make educated decisions about the medicine you choose to ingest.

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Honey Smith Walls 0:03

There it sounds like I have Penny. Do I sound alright?

Penny Dougherty,RN  0:09

You have Penny and it sounds wonderful.

HoneySmithWalls 0:19

Okay, great. So thank you darling for coming and sharing your time with my audience. So tell them what your world is like. Are you up in Atlanta?

Penny Dougherty,RN  3:09

I am in Atlanta where nothing is legal.

Honey Smith Walls 3:13

Oh, God love you. And so… just so my audience knows Penny Daugherty is in my LinkedIn tribe of cannabis experts and specialists and people leading in this arena. And so she graciously agreed to come and chat with us and tell us what it’s like in your world because, gosh, what the hell was going on up there?

Penny Dougherty,RN  3:42

It’s very sad, because I work with a person at Health Unlimited, which is a store where they have all different kinds of supplements and different types of legal cannabis, and a lot of Delta eight, nine and kratom and what have you, and he is an LCSW, which is a licensed clinical social worker, and also certified in cannabis.

And he is now taking a Gangier  Gan GA course however you say that or whatever it is. I would love to take that but I cannot afford tuition. But anyway, he’s taking it and Dwayne is who I send everybody to, to see how they’re different symptoms can be managed.

I work with gynecologic oncology and head neck patients primarily Gynecologic Oncology. And these are women who are getting ferocious chemotherapy. High doses, radiation up into their vagina and their uterus and the side effects of the disease itself are terrible. And they’re bald all over their body. The whole thing… chemo brain… everything that you can imagine ovarian cancer patients go through, not to mention the fact that many of our drugs that are Anthro cyclenes, which are antibiotics cause massive skin issues. Oh, and as in fingernails falling off… hair falling… blisters, it’s just disgusting. And then you’ve got a woman who has no hair on her labia.

And so, I’ve used various cannabis products. I’ve made them from good friends who brought me some may different salves and different ointments for patients. And I also send them to Dwayne and when I do, he helps them get things that will relax them so they’re not terrified from all of their good friends who are just too willing to tell them…. “I knew somebody who had ovarian cancer and she lived two years!”  And that’s always… people are always drawn to these statements that are like…

Honey Smith Walls 6:11

I don’t know why….. it’s so horrifying and it gives me PTSD!!

Penny Dougherty,RN  6:16

Oh, God. I used to teach that to people who are brand new patients when we were in private practice. I used to teach them about clinical trials because I was the clinical trial coordinator. And I would tell them goofball things that people say to their relatives, and this one woman said that to me, she said a woman who never spoke to her in church came up, put her hand on her shoulder and said, “I knew somebody who had two good years.” I thought whoa, why isn’t that woman’s tongue removed?

Honey Smith Walls 6:47

yeah, poor thing… she was just born in a barn… I don’t understand. You know how she could not know what she was… the ripple effect of that comment.

Penny Dougherty,RN  6:59

They don’t…  they are very…. you know, women are very nurturing and they want to take care of their family, their husband, their welfare officer with and they want to clean their house and do the things that we all do. And they can’t do anything because they’re a wreck… and one patient who couldn’t sleep at all, they were giving her increasingly high doses of Ambien, which is really great so she could hallucinate some more.

I sent her to Dwayne and he gave her some, I think it was kratom and some delta nine and she was able to sleep. And I’ve had patients who’ve had all kinds of blisters that look like brand new toes from the anthracycline medicines. And using the Juniper joint cream which is cannabis and some of the other cannabis creams that people have made up and they’ve worked.

Honey Smith Walls 7:56

You are fearless.

Penny Dougherty,RN  8:01

Yeah. Well, you know. And you know, the interesting thing is when I started as a nurse in the 70s, I lived in Fort Myers and the hospital I worked in was owned by the doctors which is its own interesting terrain, and they were surgeons on top of that, and I had a lot of headache patients and back then had neck was severely gruesome.

So I would have done smoke rash to their trackes at the back of the hospital. And somebody complained about smell and our administrator at the time, who shall remain nameless… he installed a fan for me.

Honey Smith Walls 8:43

What? That is just so cool!

Penny Dougherty,RN  8:45

Because in the 70s Nobody cared about marijuana. As far as recreationally in Ft. Myers everybody there was over 70 so they cared more about the size of the fish people were catching than smoking grass and mostly people were drunks. Which is my parents generations drug of choice.

Honey Smith Walls 9:07

Mine too. My mother died of massive hemorrhaging due to sclerosis of the liver.

Penny Dougherty,RN  9:14

I mean, yeah, my mother died of colon cancer. And she drank and smoked a lot and she was a physician, which didn’t matter a bit, and now people care about that. Now, I mean, we had some very high quality marijuana. We had what is known and I maybe the millennials are not familiar with these titles, but we had Acapulco Gold with resin falling off of it.

Honey Smith Walls 9:41

Yeah. And Thai weed… Golden Thai.

Penny Dougherty,RN  9:48

Yeah…right but it helped the patients and they stopped vomiting through their tracheas. Oh God loved them, you know, and some of them even managed to have sexual relations with their partners. I mean, they had a life. They had a life, you know, and that’s why I’m so humbled by Mike Robinson who talks openly about himself and I actually was a fan of his when he was NASCAR. If you live in Florida…

Honey Smith Walls 10:17

Yeah, I’m not NASCAR. But yeah.

Penny Dougherty,RN  10:20

Well, I’m from Miami and we used go up 27th Avenue and people would drive 900 miles an hour on route nine and that was in the 60s. Yeah. Now I don’t know what they do. They just shoot people. But, but that’s okay. But that was a very big learning experience. Because when I met my husband, his neighbor gave me what they call the nickel bag and we’re driving back to his house from his mother’s house and I said, you have to be very careful at the lights and everything because I have marijuana in the car and he was like ‘who would give you marijuana in 1971 issues’?  I said it’s a nickel bag. It’s not much and he stopped the car.

Honey Smith Walls 11:09

Oh my god.

Penny Dougherty,RN  11:12

What are we doing here? Where were you? And I told him and he said, Okay, so he told me to get some papers and he would introduce me to marijuana and I bought some Laredo rolling papers. Oh my goodness. Needless to say, I had no idea where it was a weekend. And I loved pot when I was a kid. It was very relaxing and at the time.

Interestingly enough, I was extremely addicted to very I mean addicted to Kafka and Furanol and all because I had terrible migraines. And once I started with the cannabis, I never took another furanol. I also went to a dr who was very much into manipulation, and once he relieves the pressure on my neck, which is the intervertebral arteries. I use that and the cannabis… I stopped having withdrawals, nothing. I just smoked grass and I was fine.

I have been in the hospital where a doctor will give a patient oxycontin enough to go into business… a jar. My God. And if that doesn’t work, they’re instructed to take fentanyl patches as needed, and then they give them Tramadol because they’re stiff. Tramadol Yeah. And then they come back and they say they have chemo brains…

Like Really? Yeah, you’re stoned. Yeah, and I hope I really made a big difference for my patients and the Internal Medicine Service, known as our IMS. Cowboys at our hospital had been very receptive to medicinal things. One of the head of the IMS came from Berkeley so of course he brings with him a much more evolved point of view. But we all the nurse practitioners, of course don’t want to lose their license because nurse practitioners and it’s illegal.

But as soon as the patient comes in, I’m the nurse… and while I’m retired now since August, as soon as I come in, as soon as the patient gets admitted… they’re like, go talk to patient X about whatever you want to talk about and please tell them about medicinal cannabis.

And I actually had a patient… I don’t know if I said this on on LinkedIn, but I had a patient who was a very unique lady… music instructor, PhD in music and very, very slick lady, and she had horrible ovarian… ovarian  is much worse when it’s in younger women because their hormones are very robust. It’s very bad.

And of course, there’s always going to Nasha Winters, Dr. Nasha Winters (https://www.drnasha.com/) and being healed. But people don’t want to do that. But those who have… have been healed.

At any rate, this particular lady was dying. She knew it. She was admitted, because she had a paralytic ileus. It was so bad. She looked like she swallowed a basketball which is very painful… couldn’t pass stool. It was kind of going up into her esophagus. Things. All she wants to do is go home and die in her husband’s arms. I had worked with her extensively and I said to the nurse practitioners, could you just get out of here and pretend you were here… just leave me alone?

And I gave her a vape that I got from another state… gave her some candy that I acquired that was very high quality and organic and I gave her some salve to rub on her belly that was Jamaican Black Castor Oil and… my mind is going blank… Oh… tea tree oil to kind of relax her belly because Jamaican Black Castor Oil Well, it’s like a miracle thing.

Honey Smith Walls 15:29

I have a big black bottle of it sitting on my cabinet.

Penny Dougherty,RN  15:34

Oh man.

Honey Smith Walls 15:35

In my bathroom.

Penny Dougherty,RN  15:36

Well, let me tell you I was going bald because I’m older. One of the joys of getting older. I said I happen to like reggae and said to somebody I had no idea how Damian Marley had any hair on his head with his dreads down… (dogs barking in background) I’m going to talk about dogs in a minute…

And she said, Jamaican Black Castor Oil! I did what she said and I used some tea tree oil and I put it on my head and I have hair. Oh my goodness. And I have eyelashes. Oh my goodness. And I’ve given it to my patients and show them how to use it. And they have hair and they have eyelashes. The only place you really probably don’t want to use it is on your pubic hair because you’ve got some mucous membranes down there. And I don’t know what the sequelae of that would be, but on hair, but for that we have little outfits that I help my patients get from so that they don’t look like they don’t want to look like.

My husband and I used to raise standard poodles and show them and so all of our dogs live in the house, which is quite a thing. And at one time we had boys and girls… a lot of boys and girls… and we had quite a petting zoo here. And when the girls come season the boys go crazy.

So one of my friends, Anna Addison, has her own dispensary in Amsterdam and she’s brilliant. And she gave me some canine oil capsules. Those boys never bothered the girls again. Settled them right down then. Yes, it did. That’s a big deal. I think so too.

And when you consider a patient who’s a basket case because they can’t function and they look like you know, a walking worm when two weeks before that they were sexpot or considered himself a sexual human. This is very good and I’ve used it. I’ve used cannabis for patients who would like to have sexual relations but they can’t. And for whatever reason, they can’t use all of those, you know, whatever those drugs are called… those drugs are very dangerous.

Honey Smith Walls 18:00

Yep, they are. They can make your heart go a pounding.

Penny Dougherty,RN  18:05

Oh, yeah. And so I’ve used different iterations of cannabis and I’ve tapped into the the KNOX. (https://doctorsknox.com/) group.

Another person I’ve tapped into is Ashley Manta, (https://www.ashleymanta.com/)

who’s done a lot of really good presentations on sexuality and cannabis. Very good. Because I do a lot of sexual counseling as you can imagine with women and men who would like their sex lives back. Yes, hopefully with their wives.

Honey Smith Walls 18:39

You know who else does a great series on sex is Dr. Genester Wilson-King. (https://victoryrejuvenationcenter.com/) She is an OB/GYN Cannabis expert and the Vice President of CannabisClinicians.org

Penny Dougherty,RN  18:59

I will probably be tapping into her only because I want another speaker for AONN which is our navigation conference.

Honey Smith Walls 19:08

Please let me hook you two up! She is so wonderful.

Penny Dougherty,RN  19:12

We haven’t had sex talk in a while. The last person we had was Sage Balti, who was fabulous. And but as far as Nasha Winters, she and a colleague wrote a book and when my patients would give me, “this is the south where people eat fried everything”, I mean, I’m too old to be an old hippie too, I’m not even a boomer. I’m too old to be a boomer I’m just sort of an Aardvark.

Honey Smith Walls 19:51

God I hadn’t heard that term in so long! God. It’s funny, but anyway,

Penny Dougherty,RN  19:56

I really want people to feel like they can feel like they’re sexual creatures and not smell the chemo on their mouth and their  skin. You know, the whole thing is changed them and when you don’t smell yourself, happily, you’re not sexy.

And there’s a book called “The Dog Lived And So Will I” (https://a.co/d/cf9lx3r) And so it has nothing to do with cannabis. But it’s about a woman with breast cancer. She actually was a booster, you know, on Nasha Winter’s book. Oh, nice. That the book was her PhD dissertation.

And in there… the character is an attorney. And the character goes into the bathroom and her gown falls open. It just actually happened to her. And she sees she has no hair on her pubes, which don’t look so good without hair unless you’re 20 and droopy tits one tit missing. No hair, yet she thought oh my god and her boyfriend who she was living with was 10 years younger. She just collapsed on the floor… finally got herself together. Went down to the kitchen there was her boyfriend with pink cookies. And when we said to her is… focus on the cookies… not the hair.

Honey Smith Walls 21:19

Ohhhhh…

Penny Dougherty,RN  21:21

I never forgot that in the book because we all want to be sexual. We all want to be… there has to be an attraction to somebody whether it’s same sex or other sex… we have to feel that… because that’s intrinsically part of our ego. Without which we kind of walk around going, who am I? And it doesn’t matter if you do anything.

It matters what you feel and what you smell of yourself. And cancer makes people smell bad. Whether it’s the cancer, whether it’s grown out to their skin, whatever it is… what Mike is using.

I’ve used a lot of different salves that I’ve created… actually when I was in Florida, I used to go out to the Miccosukee Indians on Tamiami Trail. And they taught me a lot more than I taught them. I was a State Extension nurse, and one of them was to make salves for us and I’ve mixed things with cannabis. I mix anything with cannabis. I mean, why not? And we had an experience and I hope I don’t get arrested for this because it’s all gone now. But my husband and I got some seeds, really good seeds and propagated them in our backyard. This is many years ago. Part of town that’s not very populated or wasn’t at the time. And we grew ten 10 foot tall trees with some of the best resin you ever saw. Jesus loves us.

Honey Smith Walls 23:22

You’re fearless. I keep saying it.

Penny Dougherty,RN  23:27

Yeah I know that people pulling up in my driveway in the front of the house knew what was going on in the back of the house. I mean cannabis is fragrant. Yeah, there is much terpene involvement there. And terpenes are us.

Through a series of events I was gifted some beautiful oil from some friends who came in from Berkeley… and very high quality oil… and I made enough to make candy from a Paula Dean recipe… What she eats is worse than what we eat. Oh my gosh. Now she’s a good girl but before she got diagnosed with diabetes, she was in a… you know, fried steak cooking… and Burger thing.

Honey Smith Walls 24:19

And so and now it’s the southern southern cannabis cooking of Paula Dean.

Penny Dougherty,RN  24:25

Yeah, I love it. Why not? She learned and anyone who has her dogs crawling over the bed has my vote.

Honey Smith Walls 24:34

You know, I have five of them. You’ve seen mine.

Penny Dougherty 24:38

What kind of dogs do you have?

Honey Smith Walls 24:42

All different mongrels. I’ve got to start with Mini who had two puppies with another male that I have a Pekinese. Havanese Hava-Shan type dog and then we adopted another little hairy thing. We have five of them and two big fat cats and Lewi and me.

Penny Dougherty,RN  24:53

I understand that… we had cats. We actually bought our cats from a crazy person who lived under the Palmetto expressway, in a little house. And in that little house was all cats. There was a couch and all cat trees an interesting experience… 

But you know we have pharmaceutical companies who are killing people. I was trying to explain to my husband how everybody ended up with so many medicines. And my husband was actually a perfectly good example because he was type two diabetes diabetic… he was 70 pounds overweight and he has a tendency for weight… and he was eating fast food. And he was taking I don’t know how many prescription medicines but one of them was Metformin. So his lower extremities were swollen and I said you gotta stop this. Metformin is a disgusting drug.

And he stopped… he lost his weight. He stopped eating every bit of fast food… and he lost 70 pounds and he doesn’t need any metformin and he eats organically and his blood sugars are beautiful.

Honey Smith Walls 26:18

Wow. I love a good food story.

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Penny Dougherty,RN  27:50

I have Crohn’s… and I have Crohn’s like, I have to plan my day… every day was Crohn’s. If it gets bad, and my son Christopher is a naturopathic physician and he has totally managed my Crohn’s with no medicine. Oh my goodness, and just put Ka Chava shakes and the different types of things to put in for breakfast.

Honey Smith Walls 28:10

I have Ka Chava!

Penny Dougherty,RN 28:17

If you mix it with almond milk….

Honey Smith Walls 28:24

I do mix it with almond milk! I couldn’t stand the chocolate. And so I sent it back and three days later… And you know… Chava is spelled C… and I’m sorry, spelled K A apostrophe C H A V as in Victor… A… Ka Chava.

And what we’re talking about is a whole meal replacement drink. And so it has superfoods in it. I heartily recommend this could KaChava.com And you can go find it yourself. It’s expensive… but it is a whole food replacement. And I, as a vegan, new to veganism… at 68, I’ve only been a vegan for a few years now. And the world made it easy for me to be a vegan really with all the fake meat foods and all that. Well, say what you will… they are great for me. But I’m still not eating enough food to get my body out of starvation mode.

Penny Dougherty,RN  29:34

Yes, it’s happening to me.

Honey Smith Walls 29:36

I decided to get the Kachava and I did research on a lot of different foods, you know a lot of different meal replacement type things. And this one looked really good and there’s support. The customer support is excellent.

Penny Dougherty,RN  29:52

Oh yeah. And I liked the vanilla too. But I mixed the Kachava with almond milk and interestingly enough I mixed it with half almond and half oat milk because I had some and I had the biggest flare you ever saw.

Honey Smith Walls 30:08

Oh my lord. Yeah.

Penny Dougherty,RN  30:11

Yes, because of the oats. They were raw.  I just noticed that there were little things floating in the toilet. Oh my goodness. Look at that. And I thought oh no. And once I took the oats away, I was fine. But I mix the Ka Chava with almond milk. And I use little flaxseed oil for the Omega threes and collagen because I’m 77 and I’m a desperate woman and you know,  I’m not putting any of that crap that’s hormone infused on my face.

Honey Smith Walls 31:09

Oh me either…  you just can’t make me do it.

Oh, when years ago, I was a clinical trials coordinator. And I worked on breasts and I worked in the breast cancer prevention trial. And I was kind of interested in the fact that people are getting Adriamycin and they were getting like blotches on their face and I asked Lancôme if they would send me their ingredients because they never put ingredients on their product.

And they basically said no… and I said… there are 15,000 Women on this trial. We send them newsletters. Yeah, I really will send them a newsletter and say that Lancôme refuses to list their ingredients. Two days later, we knew what it was.

Honey Smith Walls 31:37

Good! Good for you. So what was in it?

Penny Dougherty,RN  31:45

Estrogen. Oh. Yeah. And they have estrogen dependent cancer, Jesus, and that’s the same as in any female cancer. It’s also the same in prostate cancer with older men because older men develop more estrogen because their testosterone goes down.

And anything that is not supposed to be in your body… should not be in your body. And that’s something that we don’t get… and now that COVID has come and people have seen themselves on zooms… the plastic surgery industry has urged and people are using lights I wear glasses so wearing lights is like I have no idea what’s in front of me. So I thought piss on it. People don’t like what I look like just look at the lamp. But you know…

Honey Smith Walls 32:41

I’m pretty defiant about the way I look too… for years and years and years I wouldn’t wear a bra and everybody around me said, “Oh Honey, you look so much nicer in a bra!” and I thought, Fuck you. You go where the god damn bra if you want to. I’ve got heavy bosom. I don’t like wearing a bra they cut me… they hurt… it hurts my back. Fuck you. You go where the goddamn bra!

Penny Dougherty,RN  33:06

People expect so much of women that they do not expect of men. Yeah, which is a whole nother topic and they still do and I still see that unless you have a particularly unique woman doctor. They treat the women doctors like that! And I had to have some surgery because of my Crohn’s and my surgeon was very beautiful, sexy. Blonde. And people treated her like she’s so cute. She left the hospital. She said I can’t live in Georgia. I realize it’s not for me. And she moved back to Chicago.

Honey Smith Walls 33:45

Where the attitudes were more grown up about women… in medicine. Right.

Penny Dougherty,RN  33:51

I have had people say to me when I’ve tried to explain something…”You know so much and you’re a nurse. It’s like most nurses know what I do. You just have to ask them the question.

Honey Smith Walls 34:06

You know, they don’t have any idea what higher education is like?

Penny Dougherty,RN  34:10

No, and they don’t have any idea that you as a nurse or you as somebody… know just as much about that as anybody else. And people definitely treat nurses badly. And I was very happy to see that thing about Kathleen Gamblin wrote about the paycheck.

Kathleen used to be my boss. And she wrote about the paychecks…. for people who are nursing assistants… was less than people who work in McDonald’s… and when I went through nursing school, I was challenged… because I had been a clinical psychologist and came back to school into nursing school.

And some old nurse said to me at Naples Community Hospital… said to me, you’re gonna be a piss poor nurse because you don’t know how to do anything. You’re just too smart for your own good. And I said What am I gonna do?

This is my curriculum in school. She said, Come to work for me on the weekends as a nurse’s aide. And I said okay, lady, I will. I never sweat so much of my life. But you know what, when I took my state boards, I knew every answer. I knew every piece of that body because we did team nursing at that time at Naples Community Hospital. And so the nursing assistants did everything.

Honey Smith Walls 35:33

That’s what it was like for me when I was in a Tulsa hospital…a big hospital in Oklahoma, and it was a fantastic education. I loved being an aide. I was a float. So I went  on call to maternity and the burn unit and I got to float everywhere. And I loved that.

Penny Dougherty,RN  36:00

I enjoyed every… I have never had anything I did not enjoy as a nurse. I love being a nurse. And interesting. Just a segue to everything… we talk about cannabis and the good things and the bad things… But we don’t… we just  people running loose here… the middle class people are running loose… We don’t grasp the significance of how much is withheld from us. I just found out last year from Smithsonian Magazine about Tulsa.

Honey Smith Walls 36:42

Oh my god you’re kidding. Greenwood. Yeah, yeah. The largest black massacre in the history.

Penny Dougherty,RN  36:51

I asked my African American colleagues did you know about this? And they said, Yes, everybody knows about this.

Honey Smith Walls 36:57

No… just Black people know about it. Why it’s it’s been hidden from the schools. It’s not in the history books.

Penny Dougherty,RN  37:03

These are the things that our government is doing and yet they’re telling us that cannabis which can help people is bad, but they’re, they’re concealing half? Oh, probably three fourths of what’s going on from us?

Honey Smith Walls 37:17

So this is the dichotomy of the lack of education or lack of standard education across our United States. And, and it’s really problematic, but then you put on top of that, the corruption involved so many levels. That’s really the socio economic issue about, you know, cannabis and education and health care and big corporate control over our food and our medicine and the Western sick care philosophy as opposed to the Eastern, you know, integrated philosophy of health care,

Penny Dougherty,RN  38:01

And how so few medical doctors want to acknowledge Nasha Winters are people like her.

Honey Smith Walls 38:08

I I’m really not familiar with not sure winters but I do know that doctors are still having a big problem acknowledging cannabis as medication.

Penny Dougherty,RN  38:20

And the I’ve sent so many patients out to Oregon, to Dr. Knox. We met her when Christopher and I went to CanMed in Harvard and she was fairly then and now she, her two daughters, and her husband all have a Cannabis Clinic in Oregon.  Which evidently is another bastion of racial stuff, which I did not know till Christopher told me that, but I didn’t know that either. No, I didn’t either. I always thought everybody in Oregon was stoned.

Honey Smith Walls 38:51

Me too… and happy and healthy and thriving.

Penny Dougherty,RN  38:56

Yeah I never thought about that. And he said No Don’t step outside the city limits. And so he lived in Klamath Falls and Klamath Falls has C3 algae, which is a very natural type of thing.

Honey Smith Walls 39:11

I know Klamath Falls… I know that area a little bit. My sister lives up in Port Townsend, WA

Penny Dougherty,RN  39:18

And so that’s where I went to school. The first time I went to University of Washington for being a clinical psychologist, and then I changed my life over. Got remarried and moved Florida and did the rest my nursing education in Florida but that was the most beautiful state. And I was really happy to be there before they all became weird, but they’re nice weird in Washington. Everybody’s just like, hey, hi.

Honey Smith Walls 39:45

It is an extremely different attitude in Washington state than it is here in Florida.

Penny Dougherty,RN  39:51

That’s because my theory on that is that we are as big as the trees in Florida and South Florida and in Washington State, you look up and you can’t even see the middle of the tree.

So you have a much more humble opinion of yourself. Really do ya live by a mountain that goes to the sky and you’re like in awe… Yes. It is a good place to be and you know, it’s kind of like Narnia.

And I know that makes you feel like you’re part of a wonder instead of just sweating. Yeah. And that has been a big….  I don’t know. I know Florida, I send people to Florida. And what I think is very interesting… I had a patient who he wanted to get high which is fine, but that wasn’t my job to send him there to get grass to get high. It was my job to send him there to get medical marijuana.

And I called them down there to find out what you had do. And they said you have to have a bonafide doctor who’s licensed in Florida, a bonafide domicile in Florida, and you have to live there. And I was impressed.

I tried to explain this very judiciously, very elegantly, and I told the patient that… who called me a lot of names, and I said, Dude, if you’re gonna get stoned, you gotta go someplace else. I’m a nurse. I’m looking to help you with your symptoms.

Honey Smith Walls 41:25

And young people just cannot relate to illness unless they are really ill.

Penny Dougherty,RN  41:31

Oh, I know. And once that happens, look at John Boehner… Well, that’s not caring. That’s avarice. Is John Boehner. Anti-marijuana turns into a warror.

Honey Smith Walls 41:46

Yeah, yeah, weed Baron in the industry. You talk about a shit piece of a man on this planet.

Penny Dougherty,RN  41:58

Half of them are like that. And you know that and if there’s somebody who needs something, they will come to me no matter who they are and say… whatever you can do Penny… fix it so she’s not vomiting diarrhea and miserable. And they don’t care how I fix it.

Honey Smith Walls 42:19

Nausea, headaches, joint aches, yeah, muscle aches, and neuropathy. They all have it.

Penny Dougherty,RN  42:30

Amazing, amazing experience with all of those with with acupuncture and changing diet. And cannabis. I’ve had amazing results. And I’m saying that I’m thinking why are you saying amazing?

But they were. The whole thing started with William Randolph Hearst. Who was being a creep. My son and I went to see San Simeon. Did you? Shocking.

Honey Smith Walls 43:05

Hearst Castle.  Yeah, out on the west coast in California. It’s a big layout. It was a big playpen for him and Hollywood and all of his, you know, political stuff. Oh, yeah. Although all those Yahoo’s that he hung out with politically, including the AG Harry Anslinger and all of that. Oh, yeah.

Penny Dougherty,RN  43:31

He totally trashed a whole industry and made made it a taboo for absolutely no reason.

Honey Smith Walls 43:40

Oh he did it for a reason Penny. Well, he owned billions of acres of property that he made paper with for the newspaper magnate, you know, his big newspaper stuff. So he needed the wood to turn into paper pulp.

And I’m just reminding everybody that paper pulp is the third largest manufacturing industry in the world. And we’re still using most of it just to wipe our asses… just reminding everybody when bamboo, a sustainable renewable plant every two or three months, could easily be used instead. But no, we’re still cutting down trees and harming our planet because of it.

So William Randolph Hearst and all his friends find out about the marijuana murder mysteries down in Mexico. It’s rumors and they’re just stories. And he he sets up shop down in Mexico City, and sends his reporters out to buy these stories, collects them, puts them all in comic book form and sends them back up here to the United States.

And it’s all about how horrible marijuana is and the terrible things marijuana makes you do. Right. So that starts the propaganda against marijuana. It was all part of the plan.

And then Harry Anslinger right after Prohibition caved… Harry Anslinger had this huge slew of men, all married all with kids and families. They all… he didn’t want to have to fire them. He needed a new thing to replace liquor. And that was marijuana…So that he could keep his his prestige and his force and all of that.

So he was there and then the the pill companies, Eli Lilly and Parker and St. James, all those guys. Well, they had just learned how to press powder into a pill form and then give it to our military and keep them healthy. They weren’t about to try to go back into live Plant Therapy. It’s so unstable.

Penny Dougherty,RN  46:12

And an entire generation of American soldiers, women… men, yes, nurses… had their entire lives ruined. Yes, because they went to Vietnam, which I have no idea what we were doing there. But when they went to Vietnam.

My first husband did come back. Psychotic… and what did they do? They gave the Melloril… which is horrible drug and no longer exists. And when that didn’t work, they gave them more Melloril.

 David was married six times… and finally developed Waldenstrom macroglobulinemia, which is a cancer, but they couldn’t trade him for that because his body had been so damaged by Agent Orange. God, and my daughter in law’s dad had the same thing in Vietnam, he has had Lyme disease. So this is what they did, but and they had them stoned. And then they stopped being stoned. And they were like, you know, they couldn’t function in society. We have somebody… I can’t remember his name, but I know he was up and he was at CannMed. Awesome. It was a big year.

Honey Smith Walls 47:27

Oh, and I can’t wait to hear about CannMed but go ahead with this.

Penny Dougherty,RN  47:31

He helps the soldiers with PTSD with cannabis… and it works. You don’t have people whose lives ended up working as a janitor, because they can’t do anything else and they have a PhD but because they’re so stressed out from Vietnam, right? Or got shot in the

face with the glass scope from the AR 15. That didn’t work. No ak 47. Right.

But to your point about the medicines that are made, there is a book called “Bottle of Lies” that I really recommend people read… it’s by Katherine Eban (https://www.katherineeban.com/bottleoflies) and she went over to Europe and investigated the biosimilars… which are crap. But we have to use biosimilars… we can’t use the actual medicine.

Honey Smith Walls 48:28

And they’re already doing that with cannabis… trying to make fake cannabis.

Penny Dougherty,RN  48:32

Yes, that’s what I’m saying. It’s like, When is this gonna flip over and it’s scary because they all want that. And personally, I have been a recipient of the largess of the pharmaceutical industries as a research person. I’ve stayed in some very beautiful hotels, and I’ve eaten some very expensive meals, and all of this to sell drugs. And now, when I went to one of the medical conferences, I was walking around where the vendors were and I was looking at these young ladies and young men who had vendors, medical science liaisons, excuse me, and that look like they should be in porno film. So I thought,

Honey Smith Walls 49:11

Oh, I know. That is so frustrating. Dammit. Can’t they just grow up and stop selling sex for medicine?

Penny Dougherty,RN  49:18

That’s what they’re doing. I know it. And I was just like, holy cow. I mean, there was more cleavage there than there was at Victoria’s Secret! I know.

Honey Smith Walls 49:27

It’s so Fucking frustrating. I’m just… this is so ridiculous. And that’s the recreational bunch. Recreation is coming down to Florida. It’s probably going to be here in 2024 and Florida is a vertical medical marijuana state. So you know, you gotta have 60 mil just to open up your the front doors of your dispensary down here in order to get into the system and then they’re really restrictive about how much you can have… how much THC you can have.

And all the dispensaries push the highest goddamn THC they can possibly get and then they don’t sell much of anything else. So you’re… it’s rare that you can get full spectrum anything unless you’re just buying the raw flower and that’s what I do.

And then I go to our beloved buddy Dr. Dustin Sulak and order his full spectrum whole plant product,  CBD A and so that too is part of what I’m putting on… and using for my animals.

My poodle has Cushing’s Disease and so I’m giving her not only the healer CBDA twice a day but also Paul Stamets seven mushroom pack and so I give that to her twice a day and a small dose and then of course all of the other synthetics that the veterinarians have ordered for her but she’s happy. She pees and poops just fine. She coughs a little bit but you know still nothing terrible.

Penny Dougherty,RN

Doc Dustin’s book is one of the best I’ve ever read. Agreed, and I think every doctor on the planet should have to read it…

Honey Smith Walls

Tut I have to tell you, I remember him saying at least twice in his conferences and rolling his eyes. Oh my gosh. He said there’s so much already that’s outdated in that book. And that was like the first month that it came out.

Penny Dougherty,RN  51:41

He’s precious I love his book. I love him.

Honey Smith Walls 51:45

I just think he’s the most marvelous doctors on the planet.

Penny Dougherty,RN  51:48

I have to laugh and I probably shouldn’t say this, but it was funny when we first went there. And we went by the vendors. And my son Christopher. If you put him in a room within about 10 minutes, he will know everybody there. They will love him. They will. He’s just one of those triple Geminis. And we were there and I saw Dustin and I thought oh my goodness, he looks like he should be playing the lute! And I didn’t…. I thought… Why is he wearing a stethoscope? It never occurred to me he was a clinician. And then he talked. Like Holy moly!

Honey Smith Walls 52:19

Yeah, he’s a real deal. He’s a real healer, really.

Penny Dougherty,RN  52:25

And I heard at one conference… I think it was at the James in Columbus, Ohio… And he and Dr. Ethan Russo (EthanRusso.com) spoke and I was enthralled.

Honey Smith Walls 52:35

Don’t you love their relationship? They both get these little twinkly eyes going back at each other and they make these little comic scientific jokes at each other. You know, nobody, hardly anybody else understands. And it’s just precious.

Penny Dougherty,RN  52:47

Absolutely love them both and their passion is so amazing.

Honey Smith Walls 52:53

By the way… my audience hears me talk about both of these doctors a lot. And so I’m always happy when somebody else gives them recognition, you know, and honors them because the work that they’re doing in the cannabis industry is nothing short epic. Epic. That’s right. Nothing short of epic. So I mean I love…

Penny Dougherty,RN  53:30

I also really love the Knox Docs. I hate to say it that way but the Knox Docs are big speakers and Rachel’s good.

I sent a couple of stage four colon cancer patients out there because their pain was so uncontrolled and they couldn’t do anything… and their wives told me that they passed away happily and quietly and peacefully because of the KNOX clinic. (https://doctorsknox.com/) That’s immense.

Honey Smith Walls 53:51

Its immense. It really is.

Penny Dougherty,RN  53:55

For this we have people going to jail. You know I don’t know anybody… Wait a minute. I’m going to have to go because I have to take this call.

Honey Smith Walls 54:05

All right, darling. Thank you for gracing us with this time. I love you Penny… come back!

Penny Dougherty,RN  54:11

Oh, definitely. All right. Bye.

Clubhouse Promo

Honey Smith Walls 54:36

Hello, my friends. I’m inviting you to join me on a clubhouse live stage every Sunday at 8am. Eastern for Sunday with Honey.

This is your opportunity to ask me questions on my live stage about anything we’ve discussed on the podcast. And also where we speak about the spiritual effects of cannabis, and how to find peace through means of calming our minds…with tools we’re all familiar with… music, dance, and mantras.

Using this magnificent plant to guide our hearts into deep reflection and introspection. So join my little experiment of love every Sunday on Clubhouse… it’s an app that you can download for free and you can listen from the audience or join in conversation on stage. Sundays 8am Eastern on the Clubhouse app.

We’ll talk about the many blessings of this live Plant Therapy in Sunday with Honey. Just look me up.

Outro

You’ve been listening to another Cannaba Verum podcast with 21st century cannabis shaman Honey Smith Walls, about the importance of using verifiably safe products.

The process of getting a diagnosis from your family doctor and taking your records to a cannabis specialist can lead you to the correct cannabinoid therapy for those issues.

Otherwise, you’re just your own guinea pig looking for answers without any foundational knowledge or ability to determine the best choices or strategies…

To find a qualified cannabis expert to help in your area, visit cannabisclinicians.org. It is a national society of cannabis experts and you’ll see that link down in my show notes.

Unless otherwise proven by a reputable third party lab test, please regard all street weed as contaminated. It may do grave harm to a patient with a delicate immune system who already has inflammatory issues like arthritis, IBS, Fibromyalgia or worse.

Thanks so much for listening today. I hope you found value and understanding through my podcast. I have many more thoughts upon the subject that go in a more spiritual direction. So in that vein, please join my brand new live stage on Clubhouse every Sunday at 8am Eastern… look for Sunday with Honey.

It’s the spiritual version of my weekly podcast which usually covers all things in the cannabis industry… But we’re live on Clubhouse so you can ask questions and inspire others with your own stories or just be a fly on the wall.

Get there for live conversation with learned friends. And if you miss, you can catch replays at a convenient time.  Sunday with Honey on Clubhouse @ 8am Eastern

OOh I hear the cows callin…

Transcribed by https://otter.ai

Sources

Cannaba Verum is Latin for Cannabis Truth. Sourcing factual information about cannabis hasn’t always been easy for a variety of reasons. However now because of modern innovations, it is. My sources are from leaders in cannabis science like:

Roger Adams, U.S. Organic Chemist who isolated the structure of CBD,

Raphael Mechoulam, Israeli Organic Chemist who isolated the structure of THC,

Ethan Russo, Dir R&D International Cannabis and Cannabinoids Institute

Dustin Sulak, DO – my favorite doctor at healer.com, teaching the art of Cannabis Healing to the world, and other industry greats like:

Rev. Dr. Kymron DeCesare, Ed Rosenthal, Jack Herer, Michael Backes, and Michael Pollen and so many more… plus I use classical sites like: PubMed.gov, JAMAnetwork.com, ResearchGate.com. I listen to several daily podcasts to keep up with the latest cannabis news across the nation and throughout the world like: Dr. Codi Peterson et al on The Cannigma Podcast,  MJTodayDaily.com and MarijuanaMoment.net.  I trust the CBDProject.org and CannabisScienceTech.com. I watch the National Cannabis Industry Association (NCIA) at: thecannabisindustry.org and many more like: NCIA’s Cannabis Industry VOICE (CannabisRadio.com)

Over past episodes of Cannaba Verum, we’ve listened to some amazing scientists and medical professionals talk about their discoveries and patient successes as hundreds of questionable compounds rise to the public grasp. I am especially interested in the pharmacists movement becoming an integral part of this new medicinal choice.

Watch this machine roll into action through conversations with pharmacy doctors all over the nation like Dr. Leah Johnson and Dr. Codi Peterson out West and Dr. Alan Ao up North. There are so many more getting involved now… these are just a few who have come on my show to explain the situation and it’s fascinating.

You’ll find citations available on my podcast blog at cannabaverum.com

PS: Helping society get past the fear of using cannabis will be a lifelong journey for me. This industry is just opening up and most patients and doctors are seriously cannabis naive and need help understanding where to turn for trustworthy information.

If you need help opening that cannabis discussion with your family doctor,  please reach out and grab the Dear Doctor Letter I wrote for this exact purpose. It will explain your decision to try cannabis and ask for their help in monitoring your labs and progress. It will also show them where they can find medical research on the subject of your diagnosis and the effects of cannabis.

You’ll find that letter at cannabaverum.com  

My specialist in hormonal help: Dr. Genester Wilson-King, M.D. and Founder

Victory Rejuvenation Center – Orlando, Florida

VictoryRejuvenationCenter.com

My Neurologist and Cannabis Expert Medical Marijuana Doctor in Melbourne, FL:

Anthony Mazo, M.D.

Brevard Neuro Center

(321) 733-2711

315 E. Nasa Blvd.

Melbourne, FL 32901.    

All opinions are my own and should not be mistaken as medical advice.

(1) Microdosing – https://healer.com/cbd-cannabis-dosage-guide-project-cbd-interview-with-dr-sulak/

(2) Concentrates – https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/29307505/

(3) Cannabis Helps Dementia Podcast – Anchor.FM/cannabishelpsdementia

(4) Society of Cannabis Clinicians – https://www.cannabisclinicians.org/

(5) Take the Pledge – GreenTakeover.com

(6) Handbook for Clinicians – Principles and Practice – https://wwnorton.com/books/9780393714180

(7) The Cannigma Podcast = https://cannigma.com/podcast/behind-the-scenes-on-cannabis-normalization-with-jm-pedini/

(8) Curious About Cannabis Podcast = https://cacpodcast.com/

Show Notes:

You are still living in a vicious world where balance has yet to be found. And that is never more obvious when listening to Penny Daugherty, RN, living in Atlanta, GA in 2023, trying to help patients deeply involved in Western Sick Care who feel death closing in. But help is available. You can find Penny on LinkedIn but she says “You can reach me on any app… I’m just here for the party!” And that party begins when you start feeling better because of her help. Dr. Nasha Winters: https://www.drnasha.com/

The Doctors Knox: https://doctorsknox.com/

Ashley Manta: https://www.ashleymanta.com/

Dr. Genester Wilson-King: https://victoryrejuvenationcenter.com/

The Dog Lived: https://a.co/d/cf9lx3r

Katherine Eban (https://www.katherineeban.com/bottleoflies)

Dr. Ethan Russo: ethanrusso.org and trueterpenes.com

The Doctors Knox: https://doctorsknox.com/